Diesel is nearly dead? - Page 2

**DJR-351** · 08-12-2016, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paull

Ships don't run on diesel, they use heavy fuel oil (HFO)

Wrong, ships at sea have to comply with MARPOL

1. Not quite true, most big stuff, tankers, bulky's, container ships etc only run on HFO out at sea, when approaching the coast and entering harbour the engines are switched to Diesel, and most of them will be gone in a decade. All vessels in the offshore oil & gas run on Diesel, anchor handlers, supply vessels, construction vessels, dive support vessels, drill rigs etc, All cruise ships now run on Diesel, no HFO at all there. HFO is a fast dying duck in all sectors, in fact have a look at LNG powered ships, lots of them starting to get around.

2. Correct, also lots of countries/states have implemented/proposed legislation re fuel emission regs within their boundary's, NSW with there low sulphur fuel requirements for visiting cruise ships is one in the news at the moment...

**DJR-351** · 08-12-2016, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

Bunker fuel is basically just thick, less distilled diesel fuel though.

Sorry, Bunker fuel is the generic term given to any fuel poured into a ship's bunkers to power its engines.

Bunkers = Fuel Tanks

Where actually alongside Broome wharf at the moment taking on "Bunkers", 750m3 of nice low sulphur Diesel......

Junkyard-Dog · 08-12-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

Sorry, Bunker fuel is the generic term given to any fuel poured into a ship's bunkers to power its engines.

Bunkers = Fuel Tanks

Where actually alongside Broome wharf at the moment taking on "Bunkers", 750m3 of nice low sulphur Diesel......

Ok, next time I will use terms like #6 Fuel oil, rather than common terms that everyone will immediately recognise.

xr8cam · 08-12-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

Nothing, other than the fact that he is my animal spirit.

I understand. Thks.

Itsme · 08-12-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paull

Ships don't run on diesel, they use heavy fuel oil (HFO)
Wrong, ships at sea have to comply with MARPOL

What era are you talking when saying ships use oil, most modern ships use diesel engines.

Pis-ton broke · 08-12-2016, 03:41 PM

my landcrusier is diesel, if it was petrol i couldn,t afford to run it.

and, the mini diesel uses 4 litre/100km, how can you beat that?

cheap · 08-12-2016, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

LPG as part of the mixture

Not LPG, but CNG. There is a lot of research underway in this technology.

Massive reduction in pollution with even better economy. Better still fill the CNG tank from an outlet at home...

b0son · 08-12-2016, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8cam

Sorry to jump off topic, that dog in your photo. Do you know anything about it?

http://natgeotv.nationalgeographic.i...no/2014/giugno

The pic is from an Italian Nat Geo special about Pit Bulls.

Franco Cozzo · 08-12-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

LPG as part of the mixture

Thats old news, distilled water and methanol does a much better job with diesels (I have a WMI kit on my TDCI Focus) with an injector thats too small for the engine size we picked up 7KW at the wheels

Paull · 08-12-2016, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by trublu

What era are you talking when saying ships use oil, most modern ships use diesel engines.

I am talking about this era. When you say 'modern ships', yes, they use so called diesel engines but can use any form of fuel oil, see below.

Simply marine naming of fuel oil. In that, the ships main engines can be burning any type of fuel oil, such as - MGO (Marine gas oil), MDO (Marine diesel oil), IFO (Intermediate fuel oil), MFO (Marine fuel oil) or HFO (Heavy fuel oil)

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

1. Not quite true, most big stuff, tankers, bulky's, container ships etc only run on HFO out at sea, when approaching the coast and entering harbour the engines are switched to Diesel, and most of them will be gone in a decade. All vessels in the offshore oil & gas run on Diesel, anchor handlers, supply vessels, construction vessels, dive support vessels, drill rigs etc, All cruise ships now run on Diesel, no HFO at all there. HFO is a fast dying duck in all sectors, in fact have a look at LNG powered ships, lots of them starting to get around.

When I say 'ship' I mean an actual ship, not an offshore supply vessel or any of the other small vessels that you have listed. That is, an ocean going bulk transportation ship, as per regards to the content of the post, that utilises slow speed marine engines. And yes, when coming on Standby, they will change over to MDO or the likes but this accounts for only about 2 to 4% of the total ships main engine running hours and therefore, not relevant. Yes, can also factor in shipping in environmental control areas, but once again, these are limited at this point in time. Lastly, in regards to HFO being a dead duck, this is very much dependent upon the pricing of LNG: absolutely great in theory, especially for the ever suffering Marine Engineer having to deal with HFO and the likes, and also the management of MARPOL Annex 6. That is, if LNG pricing rises, I am thinking the ship-owner would prefer exhaust emission management as compared to either new build LNG vessels or re-powering.

Vesper Martini · 08-12-2016, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cheap

Not LPG, but CNG. There is a lot of research underway in this technology.

Massive reduction in pollution with even better economy. Better still fill the CNG tank from an outlet at home...

haven't heard anything about CNG injection?

Vesper Martini · 08-12-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Thats old news, distilled water and methanol does a much better job with diesels (I have a WMI kit on my TDCI Focus) with an injector thats too small for the engine size we picked up 7KW at the wheels

The companies selling the LPG injection kits for diesels are claiming more than that, Though bearing in mind the typical vehicles are nothing like a focus.

But my comments were more related to improving emissions.

does your Focus run any cleaner? has it been tested

also what additional running costs for the Methanol?

CyberWasp · 08-12-2016, 07:49 PM

Well my new car produces zero pollutants.

It just gets a bit awkward when you have to tack across 4 lanes of traffic.

aussie muscle · 08-12-2016, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EBSXR6

A mate works for BMW and he was told the proposed next Euro emissions was going to be very difficult pass with a diesel.

If trump carries out his election promises, the usa will scale back their emissions regulations, so europe will be able to dump their dirty diesels there.

Vesper Martini · 09-12-2016, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by aussie muscle

If trump carries out his election promises, the usa will scale back their emissions regulations, so europe will be able to dump their dirty diesels there.

Highly unlikely, its not easy to import a vehicle to the US, unless its 25 years old...

Note US Petrol & Diesel prices are about the same 65c per Litre, I believe there is no culture to use diesel cars there either.