2018 Expedition

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by chevypower

I like the Everest, but very different vehicle. I think more choices are a good thing. Everest for small family with light to moderate towing and some light off-road. Expedition for larger families, or more luxury for longer trips, and heavier towing. Bronco for moderate to advanced off-road trails.

Horses for courses, driven an Everest and it was a disappointment, nowhere near a replacement for Territory, but Ford has nothing else in its stable. Current gen explorer was more than a perfect replacement however.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Horses for courses, driven an Everest and it was a disappointment, nowhere near a replacement for Territory, but Ford has nothing else in its stable. Current gen explorer was more than a perfect replacement however.

Cause the Everest isn't a Territory replacement, the coming Edge is.

Although it's like a new gen Commodore, it's not a direct like for like replacement. But at least Ford wasn't stupid enough to whore the Territory name out on it.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Just like Australian cars have evolved, so have American cars.

No, no they haven't.
You're confusing modernisation with evolution.
The whole problem with Australian cars is that we were still building big powerful saloons, when nobody wanted them anymore.

Simple fact is, doesn't matter who the company is, that if you set up two independent subsidiaries, and told them to build cars from scratch to appeal to mass markets in Europe and North America, you would get two very different cars.

For me the classic example is the Honda (Acura) MDX. We almost bought one.
We all know Honda make great cars, and the MDX was beautiful, gorgeous interior, and well-equipt. Yet it bombed in Australia and was withdrawn from sale.
Why? Because it was designed and built in North America for their market,
and whilst the versions we got were RHD, that was the only difference. It was supremely comfortable to drive, but it cornered like an oil-tanker, and at 100kph actually wallowed.

The Territory was a great car, but ultimately, despite a few facelifts, it was still being built on the EA169 platform. We got nearly 20 years out of that platform, and it wasn't exactly ultra-modern when first developed.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Horses for courses, driven an Everest and it was a disappointment, nowhere near a replacement for Territory, but Ford has nothing else in its stable. Current gen explorer was more than a perfect replacement however.

yer I would have been happy looking at the current explorer when I last updated however.

now I'm kinda hoping (and not to hijack this thread) that we will be seeing the new bronco when its rereleased in 2020 onwards (about when ill be due to update again from this terri that replaced the explorer) with the rumors having it as 3ltr EcoBoost , v8 diesel and hybrid options
http://carttraction.com/wp-content/g...d-Bronco-1.jpg

[CoupeKing]

Eight passenger, 24 mpg and base price is 53k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKpzVAoxIek

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

No, no they haven't.
You're confusing modernisation with evolution.
The whole problem with Australian cars is that we were still building big powerful saloons, when nobody wanted them anymore.

Simple fact is, doesn't matter who the company is, that if you set up two independent subsidiaries, and told them to build cars from scratch to appeal to mass markets in Europe and North America, you would get two very different cars.

For me the classic example is the Honda (Acura) MDX. We almost bought one.
We all know Honda make great cars, and the MDX was beautiful, gorgeous interior, and well-equipt. Yet it bombed in Australia and was withdrawn from sale.
Why? Because it was designed and built in North America for their market,
and whilst the versions we got were RHD, that was the only difference. It was supremely comfortable to drive, but it cornered like an oil-tanker, and at 100kph actually wallowed.

The Territory was a great car, but ultimately, despite a few facelifts, it was still being built on the EA169 platform. We got nearly 20 years out of that platform, and it wasn't exactly ultra-modern when first developed.

If you think American cars haven’t evolved, you’re an idiot. You’re saying a 2018 Expedition is the same as a 1998 Expedition. Aluminium body, boxed frame, IRS, 10 speed, 400HP GTDI engine. Versus steel body, 4 speed, live axle, C-channel frame, 230HP 2-valve SOHC V8. No evolution you claim, all based on one example of an MDX being tuned for ride comfort over handling. 😂😂😂😂😂

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Ever driven a North American SUV?
Imagine sitting in a Lazy-Boy, whilst steering a barge.
About the only thing it would achieve is boosting the demand for 2nd hand terries.

I beg to differ. Drove a 2016 Explorer, and it was right up there with the Ford Territory in performance, handling, style and interior design.

[janddbone]

One Ford right there...

[Hawkeye84]

Exterior looks alright - but man that interior is dank!

[ozrunner]

Each to his own I guess. But to me it looks like a shoebox with wheels

[jpd80]

Food for thought here,
What if Expedition was sold in RHD with F150's coming 3.0 V6 diesel
or even better, the 4.4 V8 lion diesel and 10-speed auto..

If it was done properly, there may be some decent upper end sales both here
and in other RHD markets to make a project like that viable (just like Mustang)

And yeah, I'm asking for basically a Ford "Landcruiser" to test Toyota's hold on the market.

[janddbone]

Yes. One Ford.... Or at least that was the message we were fed...

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by janddbone

Yes. One Ford.... Or at least that was the message we were fed...

Thanks.

You should upgrade to a new Kia.

[janddbone]

I did!

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Food for thought here,
What if Expedition was sold in RHD with F150's coming 3.0 V6 diesel
or even better, the 4.4 V8 lion diesel and 10-speed auto..

If it was done properly, there may be some decent upper end sales both here
and in other RHD markets to make a project like that viable (just like Mustang)

And yeah, I'm asking for basically a Ford "Landcruiser" to test Toyota's hold on the market.

Hasn't really worked for the Nissan Patrol V8. Only sells in tiny numbers.

Ford North America just aren't interested in stuff like this unless it suits them in some way.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Ever driven a North American SUV?
Imagine sitting in a Lazy-Boy, whilst steering a barge.
About the only thing it would achieve is boosting the demand for 2nd hand terries.

I have driven a 2000 Grand Cherokee and a 2016 Grand Cherokee and it was the 2000 model that felt like an oil tanker even though it's noticeably smaller all round.

If you want a modern SUV that feels like an old American SUV, get a Toyota Prado. They feel like they tilt 45 degrees when you corner. Luckily they seams to handle better after a couple hundred thousands kilometres. Either that or you just get used to driving and oil tanker down the road.

Considering how many duel cab utes are on Australian roads these days, I don't think that many Australians are going after sports car handling when buying large vehicles.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Hasn't really worked for the Nissan Patrol V8. Only sells in tiny numbers.

If they put the 5L Cummins turbo diesel from the Titan in it they would probably sell more of them.

Surely it's not just me that thinks the Y62 Patrols proportions look all out of whack? For one the body looks too big for the tiny wheels on it. LandCruiser looks all good though

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Ben73

If they put the 5L Cummins turbo diesel from the Titan in it they would probably sell more of them.

You are probably right. Interestingly though, The Fast Lane Truck did a towing comparison with the Titan XD diesel and the 5.6 V8, and the fuel savings on the diesel was marginal.