Ford V Holden Movie

[GTLEGEND]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp4RYbxl6j8

[roKWiz]

Those bloody Datsun's (Nissan's)

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Those bloody Datsun's (Nissan's)

ahhhh you're all a pack of........

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Those bloody Datsun's (Nissan's)

My neighbour tinkers with a GTR Skyline, I always have a laugh when I see it on the back of a tow truck

Hope this gets shown at our local drive-ins, they're going to have to put a line down the middle of the carpark though.

[marty351]

2 hours of 12 year old kids arguing in a schoolyard of why their dad's Ford is better than any Holden ever made.
Then have some attractive (reasonably) mums do the school pickup and the traffic light dash to the supermarket carpark to win the much coveted "parking spot" outside the entrance to Safeway.

Fast forward to next weekend and Holden dad visiting the local dealer to get a supercharger fitted and then back to the schoolyard with the 12 year old kids...

[mick taylor]

Them's were the days, up to the Nissan Skyline and Ford searra undermined the real Race spirit of what was Aussie Spirit !

I was not a Holden man or Ford man, I was both !

And i liked to stir the possum ! it was great to get a response walking about the Track, The Devotion was like a Religious experience !

If only i had a video recording of some reactions of such peoples response to a passing comment.

[DFB FGXR6]

Ford vs Holden: A doco that’s dropped too late?

"Cinema-bound documentary about Australia’s greatest automotive rivalry is oddly timed and will likely rake over well-turned coals."

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/for...o7KnD0lmGXMD4s

While I'm keen to see the doco, I wouldn't expect the subject matter being of interest to anyone other than a Holden and Ford fan, of which I'd highly doubt there being anything we didn't already know.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford vs Holden: A doco that’s dropped too late?

"Cinema-bound documentary about Australia’s greatest automotive rivalry is oddly timed and will likely rake over well-turned coals."

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/for...o7KnD0lmGXMD4s

While I'm keen to see the doco, I wouldn't expect the subject matter being of interest to anyone other than a Holden and Ford fan, of which I'd highly doubt there being anything we didn't already know.

Agreed, however we don't often got to see our cars on the big screen so will likely go have a look

[Sprintey]

In retrospect while the racetrack rivalry was going on and tribal, Toyota went and won the bush and then the country with the LandCruiser and it's reliability and build quality.

Now they can charge what they want for a Cruiser.

[Swordie]

Who wins in the end?

[MITCHAY]

I'm keen to see this but in typical Canberra fashion they are only showing it in the city where the only people who interested in watching this are nowhere near the city. Fail

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Swordie

Who wins in the end?

Toyota

[You Yangs]

Originally Posted by Swordie

Who wins in the end?

Ford wins because there is no more Holden

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Swordie

Who wins in the end?

Certainly not Australia.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

In retrospect while the racetrack rivalry was going on and tribal, Toyota went and won the bush and then the country with the LandCruiser and it's reliability and build quality.

Now they can charge what they want for a Cruiser.

This is true but Ford has made big strides with Ranger and Everest, it’s main failing is that still
doesn’t provide vehicles above and below those two vehicles, conversation for another thread.

[MITCHAY]

A bit of a thread mine but this is now on Foxtel and watched it the other day. I think they skipped over the later parts quite a bit but there is a lot of nostalgia in there.

[None-ya]

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp4RYbxl6j8

1:53ish blonde chick says it . . . . . But

First gen commodore re-engineered Opel rekord.

First Australian Ford re-engineered Ford torina
Second gen Ford Australia went euro trash like the commy by being based of the Ford Granada (?( On spelling)

[swamp]

hi
yes old times sadly missed . Yup the Mustang vs Camaro never will do any thing for me .

Nissan /Mazda /Holden /Ford and yes even the Sierras all great competition

[Crazy Dazz]

Ford V Holden?

Well, as they say, last man standing...

[uranium_death]

There is a childish pleasure in the Ford vs Holden argument. It's quite idiotic, but still important.

I could talk about my experiences with Holden fans who actually knew nothing about the cars, and only liked the image. They loved Holden so much, they bought Subarus and Hyundais.

Regardless of my childish rantings, these debates will never occur again as the kids nowadays covet utes because their mate Ayden/Bayden/Cayden/Rayden/Grayden has one and they're just totally cool, and I must have one despite being a law student and never going offroad. 25 years ago, every high school bloke wanted a Falcondore, and the debate was alive in classrooms. It would have been occurring for decades before as well.

We will never see the passion of the Holden vs Ford rivalry again, ever.
It's the reason why I just cannot part with my crappy 07 BFII. I know that once it's gone, I'll never have a daily Falcon again. There's a real pleasure in owning an Aussie 'piece of crap'.
My father's 2017 Camry is inferior IMO. That's how good we had it in Australia, and we blew it.

[FTE217]

Yep very true mate - I can’t let mine go, Falcon is branded in my heart and soul.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[roKWiz]

It's funny how on my last outing to Winton observing all the punters willing the Holdens and Fords on, while 90% of the trackside spectators cars were imported dual cab utes and SUV's.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

There is a childish pleasure in the Ford vs Holden argument. It's quite idiotic, but still important.

I could talk about my experiences with Holden fans who actually knew nothing about the cars, and only liked the image. They loved Holden so much, they bought Subarus and Hyundais.

Originally Posted by roKWiz

It's funny how on my last outing to Winton observing all the punters willing the Holdens and Fords on, while 90% of the trackside spectators cars were imported dual cab utes and SUV's.

That pretty much sums it up.

All the big talk about buying local, but the daily driver was an imported Japanese or Korean brand. I actually found the ones who complained the most about the demise of the local car industry didn't actually buy brand new Ford's and Holden's. They either bought them second hand, or had a classic sitting in the garage and daily drove a Mazda, Toyota or Hyundai. Yes, the draw created on the used market did lead to some new sales, but in no way does selling a used Falcon or Commodore constitute doing your bit to support the brand.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Yep very true mate - I can’t let mine go, Falcon is branded in my heart and soul.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

When I told people I was selling my old Mustang to buy a new one, most people were perplexed as to why it wasn't one of the Falcon's. On face value, I sort of understand that, a Falcon is just a boring sedan with a decent engine.

However, they simply don't make Falcon's anymore. Not that I expect to be rewarded by that in the years to come, I didn't buy them as an investment. Rather, if I did sell one or both, where would I find another if I changed my mind. Can't buy one brand new anymore, and it would be hard to find another in the same condition on the used market. In other words, they are irreplaceable.

So, that's why I didn't sell one of them to make way for a new Mustang. There will (hopefully) always be another Mustang, but an Australian Falcon will never happen again.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

That pretty much sums it up.

All the big talk about buying local, but the daily driver was an imported Japanese or Korean brand. I actually found the ones who complained the most about the demise of the local car industry didn't actually buy brand new Ford's and Holden's. They either bought them second hand, or had a classic sitting in the garage and daily drove a Mazda, Toyota or Hyundai. Yes, the draw created on the used market did lead to some new sales, but in no way does selling a used Falcon or Commodore constitute doing your bit to support the brand.

My view is that the Government would have been better off incentivising both Ford and Holden at the consumer level, rather than the manufacturer level.

When they give money directly to Ford/Holden, they funnel it back up the chain to head office overseas.

If they'd have offered things like no GST and free registration on new Australian made cars for 3 years, as well as tax incentives for businesses, people would see the value in the savings there, imagine being a company with 100+ vehicles on the books, huge savings on having Falcons/Commodores.

Hell even something like 50% rebate on fuel excise for people purchasing new Australian made cars for 2-3 years.

Tax payer dollar would stretch a lot further at a consumer level, than handing out money to Ford/Holden directly as a bribe to stay a few extra more years.

Plus it would create a healthy used car market for local cars by limiting the incentives to 2-3 years encouraging big fleets and business to turn them over often, helps keep the lower socioeconomic demographics in more modern cars, young kids getting into safer first cars and a modern car parc.

Use the same amount of dollars to artificially boost demand for them at a consumer level, rather than pay bribes to an American corporate.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

My view is that the Government would have been better off incentivising both Ford and Holden at the consumer level, rather than the manufacturer level.

When they give money directly to Ford/Holden, they funnel it back up the chain to head office overseas.

If they'd have offered things like no GST and free registration on new Australian made cars for 3 years, as well as tax incentives for businesses, people would see the value in the savings there, imagine being a company with 100+ vehicles on the books, huge savings on having Falcons/Commodores.

Hell even something like 50% rebate on fuel excise for people purchasing new Australian made cars for 2-3 years.

Tax payer dollar would stretch a lot further at a consumer level, than handing out money to Ford/Holden directly as a bribe to stay a few extra more years.

Plus it would create a healthy used car market for local cars by limiting the incentives to 2-3 years encouraging big fleets and business to turn them over often, helps keep the lower socioeconomic demographics in more modern cars, young kids getting into safer first cars and a modern car parc.

Use the same amount of dollars to artificially boost demand for them at a consumer level, rather than pay bribes to an American corporate.

There were certainly many ways to have keep the volume up, hell, the government could have continued to buy Australian made cars instead of choosing imported stuff from Hyundai, Kia, Subaru ect.

I do however wonder if some of those incentives you suggested were offered to GM and Ford, but they instead wanted the "co-investments"...................as in, filtering money back to the mothership. When that was no longer on the table, they packed up and went home.

[Captain Stubing]

Politics is not something we are going to be discussing on this thread, if you have something to add about the actual program, please go ahead.