60kph over = Instant jail

AWD Chaser · 31-07-2007, 07:55 PM

We all know the current fine system

< 15 kph
< 30kph
< 45kph
> 45kph

But what if they introduced an extra one...

> 60kph, fine, + weekend trip to jail.

Would this turn people off going 60kph over the limit?

The reason I suggest/ask this, is that there is no need for 60kph over the limit. Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified...

Your opinions?

sfr rob · 31-07-2007, 08:00 PM

nah, it wouldn't float.... there are too many loop holes in the new system anyway, and i am sure jail cells are needed for much worse crimes these days than clocking 60 over.
Thats just my opinion though.

blackers10 · 31-07-2007, 08:01 PM

from what i read it costs 250k a year to keep a juvanile delinquint (spelling)
we dont need more reason for them to up the taxes and fines to pay for more people to look after the bad people

kyro_02 · 31-07-2007, 08:07 PM

i'm against it (not that i do those sort of speeds) but its getting ridiculous, we won't have any rights on the road. soon we'll blink an eye or cough / sneeze and get a fine.. :(

grrr.

FPV8U · 31-07-2007, 08:09 PM

No bloody way!

ardei · 31-07-2007, 08:11 PM

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That's stupid. It's not your fault au3chaser that it's stupid. It's just the whole principle of drawing a line where someone goes to jail and someone doesn't. And then the principle of jail in Australia is a bit of a joke really. [sarcasm] Do they even exist? [/sarcasm] I know I'd be more worried about losing my licence for 3/6/12months than spending a couple of nights in jail.

And then people will argue how you can say "Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified..." considering that a set speed limit is just that - the LIMIT. Meaning your local road authority has set range from 0 to Xkph where you can drive legally. So technically, going over the limit is unjustifiable (I do not share this view...but it's the theory). It's like giving someone a piece of land and setting the outer limits. You can use anything within those limits and then they deliberately go outside of them because it gives them a rush.

I don't know anymore...all these new ways to scare people into stop speeding. It's stupid. I propose two options:

a) You go XX over the speed limit and the penalty is death.
b) We educate drivers in this country HOW to drive safely at speed.

I think I'm leaning towards b (just).

**TUF_302** · 31-07-2007, 08:11 PM

i dont think speeding should result in prison, just a very large fine and a very long time without a licence.

flappist · 31-07-2007, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

We all know the current fine system

< 15 kph
< 30kph
< 45kph
> 45kph

But what if they introduced an extra one...

> 60kph, fine, + weekend trip to jail.

Would this turn people off going 60kph over the limit?

The reason I suggest/ask this, is that there is no need for 60kph over the limit. Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified...

Your opinions?

You know if they made it life imprisonment for murder no one would kill anyone.......

Nostalgia · 31-07-2007, 08:12 PM

Bit high. 15km/h over should be weekend in lock up. 60km/h over is basically doing 100 through a school zone.

Nostalgia · 31-07-2007, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVO_XR6

i dont think speeding should result in prison, just a very large fine and a very long time without a licence.

Dosent work mate. They still drive without a licence.

kyro_02 · 31-07-2007, 08:19 PM

**Edit**

speak for yourself toolkit, if theres nothing done to try stop bullshit regulation then life is going to be pretty strict in the future... would you like to lose your license if a law was enforced if you did 10kph over? how about the next time you look at someone the wrong way.. you'll get locked up and the key thrown away.. I didn't think you would...

T_Terror · 31-07-2007, 08:19 PM

**Edit**

Why does your opinion give you the right to be abusive to people who are REPLYING TO A TOPIC IN A INTERNET FORUM.

The elderly couple are a tragedy and the person who caused it will probably go to jail for it. The world moves on.

It sounds like you need to get a life and let everyone else live theirs how they want it.

Anyway, back to the topic, NO they shouldnt make that law.
Why do you have to assault someone at least 10+ times before going to jail, yet on the roads you are so much more culpable?

For gods sake, Burt Newtons son bashed his girfriend and tried to gouge her eyes out and wasnt even convicted let alone sent to jail!

gs1973 · 31-07-2007, 08:21 PM

Bl$#dy oath some of you blokes are fairies! Get real and stop wearing your Mum's frilly knickers and get a life! Using speed in inappropriate situtations kills, Not speed itself.. Some of you should just lock yourself in your room and hug your knee's.

Green X · 31-07-2007, 08:21 PM

No. I have done 60km+ over the limit before in a 110 zone, It was a long straight stretch of road 900km from the nearest capital city, 200km from the nearest town with next to no traffic.

Was it justified well No it was against the law, but unlike other dick heads who opt to do this sort of thing in built up arias I did it where the only person who could be injured was my-self.

Outbackjack · 31-07-2007, 08:23 PM

Its bad enough that people get punished with fines that are generated by dodgy speed measuring devices, keeping in mind that these devices have never been approved by the commonwealth to be used as a measuring instrument that can be used to apply a fine, but when these devices are used to remove a persons liberty....... It would be time to move to Russia.

**Falcon Coupe** · 31-07-2007, 08:28 PM

This is off to a bad start, go easy on the personal comments or it will be closed.

gs1973 · 31-07-2007, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

We all know the current fine system

< 15 kph
< 30kph
< 45kph
> 45kph

But what if they introduced an extra one...

> 60kph, fine, + weekend trip to jail.

Would this turn people off going 60kph over the limit?

The reason I suggest/ask this, is that there is no need for 60kph over the limit. Some people can try to justify the rest of the speeds, but 60kph+ is not justified...

Your opinions?

Actually mate, all this will do is create more high speed pursuits.. If your a#se was on the line to go to jail do you reckon you would pull over? Everyone doesn't live in built up area's you know.. There is a big difference in racing cars side by side in city streets compared to being the only car on a isolated backroad giving it a squirt.. Have a think about it.

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**Full Noise** · 31-07-2007, 08:34 PM

Well cuff me and take me to jail.

What about when the speed limit is inappropriate for the conditions?

For example:

Approximately eight weeks ago I was driving my “63 tonne baby killing machine” B-double on the Hume highway approaching the Goulburn Valley Highway exit. This is a 110 k/ph zone, we are limited to 100 k/ph and I was probably on around 101 as I veered left for the GV Hwy sweeper. Three quarters the way around the corner were are some bonehead road workers with the left lane blocked proudly displaying 40 k/ph signs. From the time it took me to lift off the accelerator and move my foot to the break pedal, I was already past these morons.

So by this twisted logic, I should have been thrown in jail, to protect the public, of course.

Bearman · 31-07-2007, 08:35 PM

No Jail!!! Still, 60km/h over any speed limit cannot be justified by any way of thinking. A very big fine and a long holiday from driving would be appropriate.

AWD Chaser · 31-07-2007, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyro_02

i'm against it (not that i do those sort of speeds) but its getting ridiculous, we won't have any rights on the road. soon we'll blink an eye or cough / sneeze and get a fine.. :(

grrr.

So are you saying that you would be against any one more rule/restriction on the road...

How would this one rule have any implications on your rights on the road. It just a bigger/worse fine for breaking a law by an insain degree...

What would you say to the same rule, but for doing 100kph over...

Silentsfastcar · 31-07-2007, 08:41 PM

nah 60kph over shouldn't be jail.. for me, having my car impounded.. or if the cop added he own 'custom' key stripes would make me think twice!!

And i agree that road offensives are just getting out of hand - guy gets caught sniffing cocaine in a public toilet - bound to make you phyco and increase you chance for violent reaction etc - cops a $500 dollar fin... a 'P' plater who gets caught driving 20kph over the limit (like me rolling down a very steep hill that used to be 100 kph, but is now 80) pays more then that and i lose my license for 6 months and i lost my job etc.. Where the over guy pulls a few shifts of overtime and its all forgotten.. //end rant

The rules suck as they are don't need them to be worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Full Noise** · 31-07-2007, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearman

Still, 60km/h over any speed limit cannot be justified by any way of thinking.

I suppose that you’ve never given any of your cars a squirt on some lonely back road to see what they’d do?

Wokkas · 31-07-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gs1973

Bl$#dy oath some of you blokes are fairies! Get real and stop wearing your Mum's frilly knickers and get a life! Using speed in inappropriate situtations kills, Not speed itself.. Some of you should just lock yourself in your room and hug your knee's.

So how do we determine in both foresight and hindsight, what is "inappropriate".

I'd assume a situation where you don't get caught is "appropriate", and a situation where a small child runs onto the road and is killed by you is "inappropriate"?

Grow up mate.

Wokkas · 31-07-2007, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I suppose that you’ve never given any of your cars a squirt on some lonely back road to see what they’d do?

We all do it, but not all of us are arrogant enough to try and justify it.

AWD Chaser · 31-07-2007, 08:49 PM

I just thought that if an idiot did 100kph through a school zone (where my daughter goes to school), 110, psat the front of my house (where my daughter plays), 120 past the shops where I shop with my family, or 160/170kph on the highway where I drive with my family in the car... you wouldn't want that idiot locked up, not only to not hurt him/her self, but to PREVENT hurting/killing anyone else, and/or damaging anyone elses property....

I tell you what, when a driver in a car hits a politicians kid in a school zone, and they were doing 60kph over, this rule will come in... or they will at least try...

gs1973 · 31-07-2007, 08:51 PM

I reckon our Grandfathers, who fought in wars To give us freedom in this country would turn in their Grave at some of the nonsense that is going on with our laws.. Push Drugs and create misery and desperation in peoples lives and get a smack on the wrist, Do 60 km/h over the speed limit somewhere, even in the middle of nowhere and you have people advocating jail terms.. Maybe a career in today tonight beckon's some?

DOC · 31-07-2007, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearman

No Jail!!! Still, 60km/h over any speed limit cannot be justified by any way of thinking. A very big fine and a long holiday from driving would be appropriate.

Long Long ago in a day where reality and common sense ruled, people used to drive hard all of the time ( were called old hoons now ) I used to travel at or above the old 100MPH speed limit ( 160K ) the cars were well kept v8's and this was always done away from others without all of the crap that goes on today,

So for me to travel at $1.60 plus is something i like doing and comfortable with, who knows on my little counrty trip today I'm not sure if i was dreaming in the past or getting out and driving my v8 like it should be ( I'm sure it was a dream of old times past

but it felt life it was real at the same time, good memories they are )

So to say its not justified i suppose i ask why build HO's, chevy's, fpv's etc if we can't use them, if that were the case they would be no more popular than a wart on my backside.

in answer to the poll ,if we all had electric wheel chairs we would still argue over the type of battery.

kyro_02 · 31-07-2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

So are you saying that you would be against any one more rule/restriction on the road...

How would this one rule have any implications on your rights on the road. It just a bigger/worse fine for breaking a law by an insain degree...

What would you say to the same rule, but for doing 100kph over...

I say the current consequences are good enough

gs1973 · 31-07-2007, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wokkas

So how do we determine in both foresight and hindsight, what is "inappropriate".

I'd assume a situation where you don't get caught is "appropriate", and a situation where a small child runs onto the road and is killed by you is "inappropriate"?

Grow up mate.

No "Mate", Speeding in inappropriate places like built up areas and Heavy traffic is irresponsible.. Going to jail for being a million miles from anywhere? GET A LIFE.

FPV8U · 31-07-2007, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

I just thought that if an idiot did 100kph through a school zone (where my daughter goes to school), 110, psat the front of my house (where my daughter plays), 120 past the shops where I shop with my family, or 160/170kph on the highway where I drive with my family in the car... you wouldn't want that idiot locked up, not only to not hurt him/her self, but to PREVENT hurting/killing anyone else, and/or damaging anyone elses property....

I tell you what, when a driver in a car hits a politicians kid in a school zone, and they were doing 60kph over, this rule will come in... or they will at least try...

If you were doing 60km/h over the limit in a built up area you are likely to be charged with driving in a mannor dangerous, which has a maximum penalty of Jail time, it's just not automatic it takes into account the persons record and things first.

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