Can anyone ID this old car please?

jaydee · 28-08-2008, 11:43 AM

Found this old pic of my Dad with some old car he used to own.
It looks like it's been converted to a ute but I don't know what it is, any ideas.
Thanks.

Fev · 28-08-2008, 12:35 PM

home made ute! brilliant!

FORD5 · 28-08-2008, 12:38 PM

The cabin looks like an old ford hot rod, with the soft top and home made tray. brilliant

FORD5 · 28-08-2008, 12:39 PM

They have the winch on the front you have to turn to start her.

Ando_Leigh · 28-08-2008, 12:49 PM

Pretty sure it is pre 1934

Looks like a 32 5 window coupe converted into a roadster ute.

Apparently their were quite a few home made utes back then. One of the many reasons ford built the first ute in 1934

jaydee · 28-08-2008, 12:59 PM

Thanks guys, still not sure though.
I thought Ford too because he called it Lizzy but it's not a T.
What throws me is the soft top with the metal arm, it looks factory, might have had a dicky seat.

outback_ute · 28-08-2008, 02:43 PM

I'd go along with Ando, the grille is upright like a 32 rather than the later years which were angled, and the windscreen is angled rather than Model A's which were more upright and the entire front bodywork a bit smaller. The converted-coupe aspect would explain the solid panel behind the door although the belt-line moulding in the panel doesn't look quite right - not really clear though. Ford5 it is a starting handle not a winch! It is possible it might be another make - people say cars all look the same today but it was like that in the 1920's & 30's too, you need to pick differences in radiators & grille shells etc.

**Charliewool** · 28-08-2008, 02:50 PM

I reckon it's a 33 by the headlight position (on guards)
Before the "mods" I'd say a 5 window "sports coupe"??

**GasoLane** · 28-08-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FORD5

They have the winch on the front you have to turn to start her.

HAHAHA... Brilliant. It was called a 'crank handle' but I think when this one came out Starter motors were invented

FORD5 · 28-08-2008, 02:57 PM

GOSH! sorry *crank handle you knew what i ment!

Any way it looked like a hot rod to me with the giant side steps, but it may not be

FORD5 · 28-08-2008, 03:00 PM

you have a look. see how the side steps are linked with the wheel guard/arch

id say some sort of hot rod...

**Charliewool** · 28-08-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FORD5

you have a look. see how the side steps are linked with the wheel guard/arch

id say some sort of hot rod...

Running boards bud

GreenMachine · 28-08-2008, 03:16 PM

Yep, I'll go 32/33 Ford... Fantastic photo too - It's excellent to have that kind of thing, usually they get lost through generations.

Ando_Leigh · 28-08-2008, 03:31 PM

I will be able to give you about a 99% sure answer when i go home.
Need to have a look over a few old rodding mags just to get that front bonnet gaurd shape.

As outback_ute has said ford and chevs of the era were very similar.
The easiest way to tell was front grill and lights or rear lights as well.

After having a better look over i am starting to think it may be a 32 chev just the way the front guard comes down and the vents in the bonnet.

With many of the early cars the model was kept for two years so i can be hard to norrow it down to the right year.
E.g
30-31 model A
33-34 i think were model B. i think 32 may be this aswell
35-36 i have heard a couple dif thing but model 48 seems to the most common

Between say 33-34 the only difference in the car was the grill really and a couple of different little bits in the cowl.

Ando_Leigh · 28-08-2008, 03:32 PM

just noticed got to love inner tubing in the tyers

TC200six · 28-08-2008, 03:37 PM

It has suicide doors so if it's a Ford, it's the Model B Ford V8, the successor to the model A. It would be the first of the model B's (1932ish) because it doesn't have a slanted grill.

TC200six · 28-08-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ando_Leigh

As outback_ute has said ford and chevs of the era were very similar. The easiest way to tell was front grill and lights or rear lights as well.

Not that you can tell in this picture, you could also tell the difference between a Ford and a Chevrolet by their differentials too.

Powdered Toast Man · 28-08-2008, 04:09 PM

The old engineer at work suspects it's actually a Dodge going by the cowl and headlight position.

I personally have no idea, it's well and truely before my time and even before my fathers time.

KJay · 28-08-2008, 05:56 PM

As mentioned probably a 1933 Plymouth or Dodge coupe.
Might have had a rumble seat. But it has an earlier roadster hood fitted.

Dodge

Plymouth

Great Photo..

Cheers..

**Charliewool** · 28-08-2008, 06:10 PM

33 Ford... ..

33 Dodge...

Note rib along door?.. Maybe it is Dodge?

ZEDAYE · 28-08-2008, 06:49 PM

Maybe a 1933 Plymouth? Check the attached picture, they have a similar bodyline where the door meets the hood, suicide doors and the gaurds have a similar arch shape. Wicked old picture!!

TC200six · 28-08-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

If the car in the picture is a Ford, it's not that model because it does not have the slanted grill.

TC200six · 28-08-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

I think you've found what it is!

Abacus · 28-08-2008, 07:30 PM

It's a Dodge.

Compare flutework along the sides of the bonnet, headlight mounts, roofline and door mould with charliewool's pic.

Stefan · 28-08-2008, 07:38 PM

I'm going with the 33 Dodge, grill, cowel, hip line, door hinges, detail above the running boards are all identical...

Cool cars...

Ando_Leigh · 28-08-2008, 08:44 PM

Def not a ford as the door has only two hinges ford had 3. Also the flute work in the bonnet is all wrong.

Ok don't think it is a chev as the front guard comes down and then don't cut back sort of square 32 chev only had 3 pull out flutes in the bonnet and 33-34 chev had horizontal flutes. Ford and Chev had pretty much the same wheels that year and apparently that is not a ford or chev wheel in the back but a dodge (yeah that was a little freaky the new that)

So we are pretty sure the winner is a 33-34 dodge sports coupe cut down and converted.

So I am 99.9% sure that it is a dodge.

The only other one it could just be is a Plymouth as we don't know too much about them.

Hope that helps.
Just to let you know this info didn't come from guys from that peroid ethier just two very keen hot rodders that know there stuff.

Spanrz · 28-08-2008, 09:33 PM

Dodge I think by the pics. For me too.
The headlight spacing away from the grille is the giveaway. Ford is very close, Dodge has a large gap.

jaydee · 28-08-2008, 11:02 PM

Great work guys, I'm going Dodge too, especially when you look at the air venting on the bonnet and the swaige lines on the door.
Thanks heaps.
This pic was taken in the Kimberleys of WA about 1953 on a visit to Anna Plains Station which is about 250 kays south of Broome.
God what was he thinking driving this through that part of the world.

dave351cid · 28-08-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

This pic was taken in the Kimberleys of WA about 1953 on a visit to Anna Plains Station which is about 250 kays south of Broome.
God what was he thinking driving this through that part of the world.

these old cars didnt need roads, they drove them just about anywhere. not like the wimpy cars we have today.

my fathers first car was a model A ford that was cut down and turned into a ute . that would have been about 1943 i think. sadly no photos of that one.

Elks · 28-08-2008, 11:27 PM

It is Plymouth/Dodge 32 or 33 vintage.

It is not a Ford and I don't think it is a Chev.

It is the version they referred to as Cabriolet. As it has glass side windows and cloth top. Love the chrome trim Would have been a side valve in line 6.

A roadster would have fixed windscreen and cloth sides, and a coupe obviously would have glass sides and steel roof.

Clearly this car has then been modded to become some sort of ute.

Cool though.