(//) to be brought back in the NT??

[Outbackjack]

With the almost certain election coming very soon, due to the impending vote of no confidence in the current NT guvment, the (//) sign could well be back on the roadside. The CLP are still campaigning with the return to drivers taking responsibility for their own actions on the open roads out here. Polls suggest that the CLP will win, so, interesting times ahead. :

[flappist]

Yeeeehhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa..........

I have missed that soooooooo much.

Unfortunately with all the publicity I suspect there will be a convoy of VL turbos etc up from the south east corner blasting about at 20 times faster than their capability.

I hope not as one big oops will end it for ever...

[Bucknaked]

This will make my dad happy. He likes to go flat out, limit or not. This just works out cheaper for him, and he gets to keep his points.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yeeeehhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa..........

I have missed that soooooooo much.

Unfortunately with all the publicity I suspect there will be a convoy of VL turbos etc up from the south east corner blasting about at 20 times faster than their capability.

I hope not as one big oops will end it for ever...

Things are really slow out here at the moment. With mines slowing down and the economy in general, even grey nomads towing over sized caravans are pretty thin on the ground. It will be good to get on the highway and not have to dodge troopies doing the "speed limit" any more......

[flappist]

And from memory there was some beer mentioned a while ago....

[FPV+fteT3]

Nice to think commonsense is not lost entirely. Too late for the east coast the nannys run them.

[bcr2734]

Waiting for keepleft's comment now.....................

[MO]

Originally Posted by bcr2734

Waiting for keepleft's comment now.....................

He will no doubt agree to the lifting of the limit on the open road.
I only hope that the CLP will be true to their word.

[kyro_02]

awesome cant wait

[OLDFORDNUT]

an incoming Government changing back to old ways that dont increase revenue,ID LIKE TO SEE THAT

[malazn mafia]

please let this be so, saves us all a trip to Germany to experience autobahn..

[opto]

i will come up and visit the rellys in Alice with the beast and go for some casual drives up to ti tree at 170kmh plus.

[PHATAL]

The NT will see my tourist dollars if this happens that's for sure.

[snappy]

This is great news (well Maybe) .
In Nsw the have abolised the new suspension laws : , now to hear the Nt speed laws maybe on the way out tells me maybe there is still hope for Vic.

[Keepleft]

Good to see you again Jack.

Since you were last here?- and as mentioned over at KeepNTLimitFree, a recent update to Australia's national road traffic sign Standard: "AS1742.4" has seen, as at the *NEW* 2009 edition, the removal of the R4-2 speed derestriction sign (//) completely.

Done by Standards Australia 'MS12' Committee membership; comprising various state transport agency employee's, with the collusion of various domestic academics and groups, to effectively and quite *deliberately* prevent any MP, or parliamentary political party,- as say 'party policy platform', or even a road agency 'as policy'; from ever again re-implementing the sign in Australia.

It is a disgrace this has happened in my view, the R4-2 sign should have remained on our books.

Its removal from national standards is purely one of political correctness, borne through ignorance. The control of L, P1 & P2 'speed' on a speed derestricted (//) length-of-road is simply enforced by "Licence Conditions", a la NSW example etc.

Heavy vehicles are then top speed-limited by ARR 25, on a category-of-vehicle basis!

On Facebook, I note Terry Mills, might befriend and have a discreet word?

I know of two methods of getting around this nonsense, and there is *nothing* the staffers, nor politically correct groups responsible for AS1742.4 of 2009 can do about it.

They do NOT own, in any manner - the signs 'design parameters', nor its 'intent', the one that implies on the road user the full and absolute responsibility for driving in a safe manner and speed at all times.

Instead, the speed derestriction sign is owned effectively by the world community and is administered to contracting states parties (countries), via The UN Road Traffic Convention. Australia contracted (gazetted) that Convention back in 53'. Now, even though we did not sign the "Road Signs" portion of the Convention, we can install on that basis nonetheless, since Australia desires, by contract, uniformity of road traffic rules.

OR,

We go the whole hog once again and remove the current 110km/h rural default speed-limit Regulation altogether (a reworked NT Trans Reg 77), BUT accepting though; license category (L, P1 & P2) and heavy-vehicle category speed-limits. AND we remove the 130km/h speed-limit signs that currently apply to NT's key highways, keeping these R4-1 'speed restriction' signs, of whatever numerical figure, to those rural lengths of road actually needing a speed-limit, for whatever identified reason!

I'd *much prefer* signposted speed derestriction on a per length of road basis though (In place of the 130km/h signed highways), rather than applying the same open allowance once again to what are some pretty poor goat tracks, we could then maintain a rural default speed-limit more suited to such low-grade roads, 80km/h in my view, and I base this on the old (pre 1979) NSW speed derestriction implementation that had a 'recommended maximum' 80km/h.

IF we use the (//) sign again, it is appropriate to include the additional template below the symbol "DRIVE TO CONDITIONS" on those units at NT border entry locations. I'll try and attach.

NSW -
I'd also signal domestic RTA staff and Eastern based police, that if a key NSW parliamentary party, (or an MP) wish to re-instate (//) on select NSW high-standard rural roads, and where that implementation would not affect overall network safety, then such would legislate it so, if necessary, despite attempts to silence the topic otherwise.

Seems increasingly likely RTA face a major overhaul in the next 2-3 years, and I'd guess performance based employment contracts are not guaranteed.

Much anger out there in public, rightly so.

[flappist]

One of the really good things about NT is their history of telling the southern states and commonwealth to "get stuffed".

I suspect that if they wamt to put up (//) they just will despite whatever is said by the wowsers and if stopped by a court order will do something like (250) or (300) just for the publicity.....

P.S. they are not all gone, I found another one recently.....

[Gabbs]

Did the toll for the deaths in nt go up or down when they took the unrestricted speeds off the highway? Would be interesting to see the toll and if it actually went up.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Gabbs

Did the toll for the deaths in nt go up or down when they took the unrestricted speeds off the highway? Would be interesting to see the toll and if it actually went up.

Yes they went up significantly.

www.keepntlimitfree.org

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by flappist

P.S. they are not all gone, I found another one recently.....

In QLD flappist? I know a QLD speed manager who will break down and cry if this is so:-)

QLD Trans will not support in court a local council that uses the (//) sign.

Those of you on Facebook, the group "Bring Back Open Speed Limits" might be of interest. I note NT MP membership.

NT Safety people at least like the idea of vest, triangle. Things may change on all fronts yet. NT people must get behind the opposition on this by actively supporting them at NT election time, offer your free time to hand out flyers, etc.

Apathy is dangerous.

[GTP 290]

I know of a (//) sign that is just south of the QLD border in the tweed valley although you wouldn't want to be going much more than around 170-180 on the road.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by GTP 290

I know of a (//) sign that is just south of the QLD border in the tweed valley although you wouldn't want to be going much more than around 170-180 on the road.

There is NO compulsion whatsoever to drive at high, triple digit speeds when under (//), because the sign signals the absolute responsibility you have to always drive at a safe-speed for the prevailing circumstances, AND you must be able to come to a full, safe-stop if the need arises, without locking up or loss of control. The (//) allows for safer, legal overtaking speeds. FLASH-to PASS permissible under ARR, is also very suited when under (//).


It might have been the same sign design as that attached in my above post, take a look.

Speed derestriction signs were installed by Tweed Shire Council in a program at about the 2002 period.

In 2004, NSW RTA in its "Speed Zoning Guidelines" REMOVED the authority for local councils to post the signs on NSW roads. Though some Councils such as Gundagai, on the old Hume highway - installed some as recently as 2008, in contravention of the Guidelines, and on seemingly poor advice from regional RTA staffers.

A few (//) do remain around NSW - the idea was to remove them all, then perhaps one day apply them only to high-standard rural highways, where a speed-limit is rather pointless.

You state tax and efficiency at work:-)

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

In QLD flappist? I know a QLD speed manager who will break down and cry if this is so:-)

QLD Trans will not support in court a local council that uses the (//) sign.

Those of you on Facebook, the group "Bring Back Open Speed Limits" might be of interest. I note NT MP membership.

NT Safety people at least like the idea of vest, triangle. Things may change on all fronts yet. NT people must get behind the opposition on this by actively supporting them at NT election time, offer your free time to hand out flyers, etc.

Apathy is dangerous.

And here is the pic of the datto lurking next to it.

Please note that at no time while on this road did I exceed 100km/h (in second gear)......

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Gabbs

Did the toll for the deaths in nt go up or down when they took the unrestricted speeds off the highway? Would be interesting to see the toll and if it actually went up.

Go here and have a peek. Note that speed limits were introduced on the 1st of Jan 2007.

http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/index.cfm?...ion=page&p=148

[Green X]

love to see that make the headlines with the line speed limit increased to save life's on NT roads...... Back to you Harold Screw loose and the rest of the bubble rap parade!

For all Australian Motorists i hope the NT give the Bird to the rest of Aus on this Issie and then just maybe the Public in other states will start asking some tough questions to there governments.

[MO]

@ flappist whats the sign on the right,start of limit?
Can you resize the pic please its huge.

[MO]

Another thing that might cause a backflip by CLP is how seriously they take any threats from the Fed Gov re funding etc,if they do try to get rid of the limit.
Although back when the .05 booze limit was brought in the CLP(then in power) got round it by making .05 to .08 an on the spot fine in order to keep Fed funding.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by MO

@ flappist whats the sign on the right,start of limit?
Can you resize the pic please its huge.

The sign on the other way is 80. I just copied the pic off my phone and it is a 8MP one so it is a bit big. I will resize it on monday.

The sign is not actually that far from you but I will not say its location as I am sure the forces of evil will get it removed.....

[MO]

Sounds like a plan to me. Will keep eyes open when cruising looking for photo ops.

[Full Noise]

Here you go…



This will also be a good thing for the local economy as many car manufacturers will test more vehicles out there.

[Chilla]

Originally Posted by snappy84

This is great news (well Maybe) .
In Nsw the have abolised the new suspension laws : , now to hear the Nt speed laws maybe on the way out tells me maybe there is still hope for Vic.

Yeah! pigs might fly.com