Help ford build the new GTHO

[steve.zissou]

OK, Every time i see someone from ford talk about a new GTHO they always say things like "We have to get this right" " we need to live up to the legend" " The expense of engenering this needs to be accounted for" bla bla bla.

Well i though we could give them a hand. There is probably enough experience in the aftermarket world to spec up every little bit of a new GTHO which should save ford a heap of money (which we know they love - they might save enough to put lights in gloveboxes ;)

I figure we could throw some costings in there to make the bean counters happy and see what we come up with. I sugest rrp as ford could do it heaps cheaper but that would be their margin.

I figure it has to be true to the original - ie. over the top. Also I am as far from an expert as you can get so feel free to correct everything

Car to start with
*FG GT $69000

engine
*Enhanced Ford gt Crate motor such as:
http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/..._engines.shtml
SHELBY GT500 CRATE ENGINES
800HP ON PUMP GAS - TURN KEY!
SHM developed the first Shelby GT500 Turn-Key engine crate package, designed for easy installation, no programming skills required. Superior modern DOHC powertrain solution for Resto-mods and street rod applications.

· 3 wire hookup
· Dyno Tested
· Includes fuel system electronics, engine mounts, intercooler, alternator, power steering, a/c
· Full emissions

800HP/560kw / 700TQ( ft·lbf ) 950nm................................$37,000

gearbox

either strengthened t6060 or go to a sequential
$10,000

axle

?

dif

I think something custom as from what I see they would have a hard time geting even a strengthened one to last a 20,000k waranty
$10,000

suspension rear

?

suspension front

? but will need a modified (or from teritory) knuckle

brakes

Ceramic?

Wheels Tyres

F/ 295/30/18 (will need to change the front suspension - teritory might provide clearance)
R/ 345/30/19 I figure the guards will need to be pumped/expanded front and back
$12000 including pumped/extended guards and other adjustments to fit this set up

interior

Total Cost running total $136000

i think it could be done for $150k (with that sort of power it is heaps better value than w427) And you try telling me every man and his dog wouldnt kill their own mother to own a 550kw GTHO even at $150k

[JPFS1]

so the price you've come to is basically adding the prices together in an aftermarket sense??

So you can pretty much triple that when you consider the volumes involved and the work required for Ford/FPV to get those components validated/modified/tested and on the road in a way that conforms to all their standards.

If your expectation is this for a GTHO, then rip it up and move on.

Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the reality.

[Paddyboy]

It will never happen.......
550kw GT? Ford dont make supercars, they make GT's for the common man.
If they ever bring out a GTHO (which I highly doubt) but if they do it would more likely be around 350-375kw max and cost around $100,000.

Its just not realistic FPV bringing out a car with all the gear you just mentioned.

But the car you have suggested does sound brilliant though, but as a custom, not a production car.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

so the price you've come to is basically adding the prices together in an aftermarket sense??

So you can pretty much triple that when you consider the volumes involved and the work required for Ford/FPV to get those components validated/modified/tested and on the road in a way that conforms to all their standards.

If your expectation is this for a GTHO, then rip it up and move on.

Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the reality.

Bingo..

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by Paddyboy

It will never happen.......
550kw GT? Ford dont make supercars, they make GT's for the common man.
If they ever bring out a GTHO (which I highly doubt) but if they do it would more likely be around 350-375kw max and cost around $100,000.

Its just not realistic FPV bringing out a car with all the gear you just mentioned.

But the car you have suggested does sound brilliant though, but as a custom, not a production car.

Your right, I think by the time it gets here 350-375 kw is what it will need and thats acheivable without been overdone IMHO and will mean it wont be 150k + like the 427 which will mean it will be more succesfull. Ive always wanted the name HO to be revived but to be honest the way kw move up your GT Clubby will be at 350-375 kw within 10 years so i think the ledgend is best as history and perhaps call this one GTHP (an evolution of HO for todays times) that way HO is still HO and nothing mucks with the name and GTHP simply = GT High Performance; a higher performance GT.

[JPFS1]

I'm all for bringing the name back and I think we are close to the 'optimal' timing of its revival.

[Fev]

IMHO it needs to be built like the 427 Monaro - basicly a street/track car without all the bells and whistles.. I think everyone would agree that it's not meant to be a luxury car - its supposed to be a monster machine - Maybe even taking back that Fastest Sedan in the world category

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by Fev

IMHO it needs to be built like the 427 Monaro - basicly a street/track car without all the bells and whistles.. I think everyone would agree that it's not meant to be a luxury car - its supposed to be a monster machine - Maybe even taking back that Fastest Sedan in the world category

Define luxury and then define what was removed from the HO.

[mcnews]

Stripped of as much superfluous crap as possible, sound deadening and whatever other crap they can throw out to get the fat barge down to a fighting weight. That will do lots more for the car as a package than strapping on a blower. Don't make it a hotter version of the luxobarge GTE, make it lighter, angrier, nastier. If they can't do that then they shouldn't bother.

[Fev]

Originally Posted by HSE2

Define luxury and then define what was removed from the HO.

What i mean is the hypothetical new GT-HO shouldn't have dualzone climate control, GPS, a heavy fancy leather interior, woodgrain or little bits and pieces.

It should be tight body hugging seats (If you've seen an RS6's seats thats what i mean) A more basic dashboard, instead of a shoddy premium sound system just keep it at a basic ICC or a nice headdeck and underneath it fit up guages for Oil, temp, volts or whatever. instead of the speakers+sub arrangement just have 4 speakers but maybe spend a little more then $20 for a pair of speakers? (cmon Ford the speakers aren't too much to ask are they?)

V8 SC wheels would look great also (but 5 stud - not the single locknut for legality and practicality)

When you sit in it you should feel that the car is a beast within. You should be able to feel the adrenaline flowing before you've even flicked the ignition..

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by Fev

What i mean is the hypothetical new GT-HO shouldn't have dualzone climate control, GPS, a heavy fancy leather interior, woodgrain or little bits and pieces.

I know what you mean. What I want to know is what items of similar spirit, back in the day, were omitted from the HO over the donor car on which it was based.

[500SEC]

The only way they will get it right (in producing a GTHO) is if they produce a car that can beat the Mitsu Evos and Subaru Imprezas at Bathurst this coming February 14th.

Until they do that, the GTHO name should remain on the shelf.

Anything else will represent marketing dept mumbo jumbo and trading on past glories.

[Lukeyson]

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by 500SEC

The only way they will get it right (in producing a GTHO) is if they produce a car that can beat the Mitsu Evos and Subaru Imprezas at Bathurst this coming February 14th.

Until they do that, the GTHO name should remain on the shelf.

Anything else will represent marketing dept mumbo jumbo and trading on past glories.

I'm think along the same lines....

[b2tf]

It'll never happen this way but we will play devils advocate here for a second.

A few simple rules:-

1) any parts used must be readily available from either Ford, FPV or the US gear.

2) No aftermarket stuff as it would be impossible to add in warranty on these parts.

3) Whatever parts used must be warranted for the standard 3 years 100,000kms and also be available for minimum 10yrs as per australian law.

4) Total vehicle Cost must be under $150k

5) Must be insurable - remember this when thinking about blowers etc

6) Must satisfy both GT purists and suits who will only buy one 'cos it looks good'

7) Must satisfy everybody's expectations in performance and appointments (good luck with this one)

8) Must be profitable (again good luck with this one)

9) Must meet ADR's

10) Must not attract too much 'attention' (supercar scare anyone?)

There are more but let's see how far this gets you - best of luck. You will need it.

[ORSM-XT]

it needs 20" Simmons!

[Wally]

Originally Posted by HSE2

I know what you mean. What I want to know is what items of similar spirit, back in the day, were omitted from the HO over the donor car on which it was based.

In those days if you took the cigarette lighter out, half of the luxury items would be gone. LOL You can't compare today's cars with the austere nature of late '60's, early 70's.

I doubt Ford could ever recapture the respect the HO had across the board. It was the result of several years racing pedigree. There just isn't the following/venues for that class of competition anymore. We have Iphones, the net, foxtel, etc to entertain us these days.

Making a new model could do more harm than good, because if it fails to inspire it will dilute the myths that have grown around the P3.

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by Wally

In those days if you took the cigarette lighter out, half of the luxury items would be gone. LOL You can't compare today's cars with the austere nature of late '60's, early 70's.

Yes you can.

We have half the people going on about being true to the legend and not many seem to realise exactly what that means.

Did Ford remove the radio or the aircon unit to save weight? Did Ford make any attempt what so ever to reduce weight in a HO?

The items themselves are superfluous, the intention is not.

[ronnyBB]

Would be great if they could underestimate the power and get away with it like the original ho
Ford could put the emphasis on the great handling!

[PALE ALE]

Please leave the GTHO name alone, it belongs in the muscle car era, not for today

[Wally]

Originally Posted by HSE2

Yes you can.

We have half the people going on about being true to the legend and not many seem to realise exactly what that means.

Did Ford remove the radio or the aircon unit to save weight? Did Ford make any attempt what so ever to reduce weight in a HO?

The items themselves are superfluous, the intention is not.

I'm assuming you are old enough to remember those years? It didn't matter if the air cond was installed, the radio worked, the instrument cluster had an amp meter. We all knew that the HO was an acronym for handling option, whatever that included. We knew that it had a fierce engine which the Oz factory had tweeked. We looked forward to the Bathurst comp against the Holdens.

Up close and personal it had a menace about it. The paintwork declared it was fair dinkum and not just a show pony. The chrome was just right, the curves (or lack of) were dated but masculine. The engine seemed to spit fire and brimstone. It fought back at you when driving; you had to keep a leash on it. It drank fuel at an alarming rate. Unkempt "real" men in rolled sleeve chequered flannel shirts, long pants and black desert boots were in symbiosis, that or cow cockies.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Wally

I'm assuming you are old enough to remember those years? It didn't matter if the air cond was installed, the radio worked, the instrument cluster had an amp meter. We all knew that the HO was an acronym for handling option, whatever that included. We knew that it had a fierce engine which the Oz factory had tweeked. We looked forward to the Bathurst comp against the Holdens.

Up close and personal it had a menace about it. The paintwork declared it was fair dinkum and not just a show pony. The chrome was just right, the curves (or lack of) were dated but masculine. The engine seemed to spit fire and brimstone. It fought back at you when driving; you had to keep a leash on it. It drank fuel at an alarming rate. Unkempt "real" men in rolled sleeve chequered flannel shirts, long pants and black desert boots were in symbiosis, that or cow cockies.

GT-HO's (like GT's) were fairmont spec, or top of the range, although you couldnt order power steer or air in a GT-HO...
GT-HO actually meant Homologation Option, that is an option ordered for homologation for racing... but some can't get their heads around that fact so they go with Handling Option......
It ONLY existed in limited numbers to meet CAMS qualification rules, without Bathurst the GT-HO had no purpose and would never have existed.

[ronnyBB]

Originally Posted by PALE ALE

Please leave the GTHO name alone, it belongs in the muscle car era, not for today

But there will never be an XWGTHO or XYGTHO legend again only "the new one"

[Lukeyson]

If it were to happen ofcourse it does need to be a performer, but people get lost in the name GTHO thinking it was crazy faster in a straight line than the normal XY GT.
If i remember correctly most standing 1/4 mile in the GTHO were about 14.4 sec, and the GT getting 14.7-14.8 sec.

If they do feel the need to do it they need better weight distribution, all alloy high revving V8 (i would love the coyote in 5.8L guise) and ofcourse needs to handle the track, noticably better than the GT.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by ORSM-XT

it needs 20" Simmons!

And chrome krazmolical crakle pins for the carbon fibre drink holders.

As for this subject… :

[XR6_190]

Originally Posted by XR8fella

yes, next will be a thread asking for the VFACTS for August, about 1 day before they are released of course. Then it will be "Why doesn't Ford make an FG wagon?"

Originally Posted by ramrodBB

Would be great if they could underestimate the power and get away with it like the original ho
Ford could put the emphasis on the great handling!

Like what they do now with the F6 do you mean?

[Road_Warrior]

Now all we need is for 'Mr Informer' to rear his head and the topic will be complete.

[Franco Cozzo]

Do they still have the 6.8L V10 that they use in the Ford F series? Or that they used to use as an option? Chuck that beast in there with a blower, manual transmission and keep the luxury features. If i was blowing $100K on a car, i'd want good quality leather and all the electronics to wipe my *** for me.

[4Vman]

Dear god not the V10 GTHO conspiracy again....

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Dear god not the V10 GTHO conspiracy again....

I'm not saying thats true, just suggesting what to chuck in under the hood. Look at the Dodge Ram SRT-10, thats an awesome truck. 8.3L V10 from the Dodge Viper.