Anywhere, anytime - indeed!

[b2tf]

Interesting experience on the way home tonight.....

Just before 9pm heading towards Forest Hill from Wagga Wagga city on the Sturt Highway. Thought I could see something in the bushes up ahead - bugger, looks like a car has lost control and ended up in the bushes, so thinking I'm doing the right thing I slow down, pull over and grab the torch and phone thinking I'm going to need to help someone out. Not exactly - one of those bloody speed camera Territories parked half into the bushes with only the rear end sticking out. Couldnt believe it. Nobody in or near the car, just a small interior light on and all the gizmos on the roof, and the 'your speed has been checked' sign sitting about 10m away in long grass none the less.

Sooner we can send the seppo Premier home and put these damn cars on the lot at a dealer somewhere the better......sneaky #$&$%&.

I have seen this particular one often on a Saturday morning heading out of town, if you're down our way be mindful of it. They seem to like the Sturt Highway as you are heading into town from the Forest Hill end, it is the light blue coloured one.

[BigCav]

i wish i had a spare car and plenty of time, surely theres no rules about parking a car half a meter from there bumper on the side of the road blocking the camera

[coolozzieguy]

Originally Posted by b2tf

Interesting experience on the way home tonight.....

Just before 9pm heading towards Forest Hill from Wagga Wagga city on the Sturt Highway. Thought I could see something in the bushes up ahead - bugger, looks like a car has lost control and ended up in the bushes, so thinking I'm doing the right thing I slow down, pull over and grab the torch and phone thinking I'm going to need to help someone out. Not exactly - one of those bloody speed camera Territories parked half into the bushes with only the rear end sticking out. Couldnt believe it. Nobody in or near the car, just a small interior light on and all the gizmos on the roof, and the 'your speed has been checked' sign sitting about 10m away in long grass none the less.

Sooner we can send the seppo Premier home and put these damn cars on the lot at a dealer somewhere the better......sneaky #$&$%&.

I have seen this particular one often on a Saturday morning heading out of town, if you're down our way be mindful of it. They seem to like the Sturt Highway as you are heading into town from the Forest Hill end, it is the light blue coloured one.

*Sighs*

"The Dark Force, powerful it is, much you have to learn, Young Luke. Sign beside road, at least you have..."

I always smile to myself when the septics and Banana Benders get so uptight about "This new fleet of 10" or however many cars... Spend some time south of the border...

This sort of thing has been happening down here in Mexico for many years, and only in the last few months (years?) have mobile cameras gone back to night duties down here, due to, ah, 'acts of retaliation' by some motorists.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by coolozzieguy

*Sighs*

"The Dark Force, powerful it is, much you have to learn, Young Luke. Sign beside road, at least you have..."

I always smile to myself when the septics and Banana Benders get so uptight about "This new fleet of 10" or however many cars... Spend some time south of the border...

This sort of thing has been happening down here in Mexico for many years, and only in the last few months (years?) have mobile cameras gone back to night duties down here, due to, ah, 'acts of retaliation' by some motorists.

Good for you mexicans - doesnt mean I want 'em up here.

[STINKY NINJA]

i give them the friendly finger i know they have a job to do but they suck

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by BigCav

i wish i had a spare car and plenty of time, surely theres no rules about parking a car half a meter from there bumper on the side of the road blocking the camera

Park the car in front of the camera, put on your hazzards, pop the bonnet and stand in front of your engine bay, reaching in every few minutes to juggle a wire or check a connection then stand back and scratch your head.

Not your fault where your car decides to break down now is it?

[AC/DC]

Or dont speed !

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by AC/DC

Or dont speed !

Get off your pulpit ... must be wonderful to be so righteous.

[JC]

Originally Posted by AC/DC

Or dont speed !

I agree - sort of. Speed afely, is what I think you mean. ie 5 to 10km over is usually OK, and at least the cameras in NSW/ACT are set to that sort of tolerance level.

I still reckon that signage is the way to go - it is effective in slowing traffic (sometimes to well under the limit) even if the camera is out of film/memory/etc.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Pedro

Get off your pulpit ... must be wonderful to be so righteous.

Was on the Freeway today.... 3 cops over the course of an hr hiding behind bushes on a bend at the bottom of a hill or where the limit drops.

Then there was a decent straight, a few cars ahead of me on the right playing silly buggers, swerving and speeding across 4 lanes.

Pass another police car waiting, lights fire up.... I'm thinking BINGO, finally justice where it's needed.

They pulled over the Land Cruiser sitting in front of me in the left lane doing 5km under the limit minding his own business. He had 3 kids bikes on the tow ball and a number plate written on some cardboard.

Could only assume it was the pseudo number plate that was the problem...

All in the name of 'safety' remember......

[FGX-351]

Lol there's always one in this type of thread.

Driving through kipparing recently I happened to notice a Q car beside me at a set of lights.
Reason i'm mentioning this is because it was a dirty, silver EF Fairmont wagon on LPG covered in purple Frangipani stickers.
I noticed the darker tint and small QPS sticker on windscreen.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Park the car in front of the camera, put on your hazzards, pop the bonnet and stand in front of your engine bay, reaching in every few minutes to juggle a wire or check a connection then stand back and scratch your head.

Not your fault where your car decides to break down now is it?

They will just move up the road a bit. I hate these money raising cameras. One of the camera cars sped past me one arvo. So at the next set if lights I stopped next to him and was just staring at him. Make him feel uncomfortable

[66GT]

A couple of months ago heading south on the gateway motorway in Brisvagas, got passed by the boy's in blue lights flashing. Noticed them shortly after on the side of the road (lights still flashing) behind a blue van. It took a moment to workout but the number of cops was now 3 & they appeared to be arguing about something - then I passed the speed camera sign in front of the van. ****ing myself that someone had the balls to call the cops & report a suspisous, or whatever vehicle. Then about 1km down the road is an upturned blue landcruiser.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Pedro

Get off your pulpit ... must be wonderful to be so righteous.

What is wrong with not speeding?

You dont have to be righteous to follow the road rules, you just have to be a responsible citizen.

Don't go breaking the rules and then whine when you get caught out by what ever means its not the speed cameras fault you were speeding and decided to make a voluntary contribution the government.

Or be unattentive enough to the road to see one of these things on the side of the road while speeding, its only the people day dreaming and speeding that will get caught out by a camera. A cop however can check your speed at
distance of over 1000 meters, so as such is much more effective, as your speed will be registered beforen you can even see anyone up ahead, by the time you see them its way way too late.

I have a mate who did 5 years in the highway patrol, and he explained how it all works to me recently.....quite interesting really.

[MAD]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

What is wrong with not speeding?

You dont have to be righteous to follow the road rules, you just have to be a responsible citizen.

Don't go breaking the rules and then whine when you get caught out by what ever means its not the speed cameras fault you were speeding and decided to make a voluntary contribution the government.

Or be unattentive enough to the road to see one of these things on the side of the road while speeding, its only the people day dreaming and speeding that will get caught out by a camera. A cop however can check your speed at
distance of over 1000 meters, so as such is much more effective, as your speed will be registered beforen you can even see anyone up ahead, by the time you see them its way way too late.

I have a mate who did 5 years in the highway patrol, and he explained how it all works to me recently.....quite interesting really.

Well you see down here in VIC we have had quite a few instances of faulty cameras, so even if you aren't speeding you can get done.
Then there's the other tidbit that older cars (before 2006) can show a speed slower than you are actually travelling by up to 10% which again would have you booked when you thought you were doing the speed limit.

I dont think I have ever seen a thread where someone that was doing 30 over has whinged about being unfairly booked. It's always in the region of 5-10 over where they feel hard done by, and most of the time these incidents are short term lapses and accidental speed increases that probably last no longer than a couple of hundred metres at most.

[ebxr8240]

Yes but its easy to be 10 kph over the limit which makes you a "criminal"..
Oh straight to jail..
I want my tax's and toll back when I sit in a traffic jam...


It's more driver behavour than speeding.... Anyway ...

[TUF_302]

Should have let its tyres down lol!

[dylancox]

Originally Posted by TUF_302

Should have let its tyres down lol!

Someone should make a dash mounted EM field device that fries every microchip in said camera car at the press of a button.

[xy500]

Originally Posted by dylancox

Someone should make a dash mounted EM field device that fries every microchip in said camera car at the press of a button.

problem is steel bodied cars act as a faraday cage, not to mention the amount of power required to fire an emp device powerful enough

[dylancox]

Originally Posted by xy500

problem is steel bodied cars act as a faraday cage, not to mention the amount of power required to fire an emp device powerful enough

The bits that detect speed are external to the car, or at least in clear view of the windscreen. That's all that needs a nice proper smack of EM radiation, the Territory doesn't need to die

[bigsta]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

What is wrong with not speeding?

You dont have to be righteous to follow the road rules, you just have to be a responsible citizen.

Don't go breaking the rules and then whine when you get caught out by what ever means its not the speed cameras fault you were speeding and decided to make a voluntary contribution the government.

Or be unattentive enough to the road to see one of these things on the side of the road while speeding, its only the people day dreaming and speeding that will get caught out by a camera. A cop however can check your speed at
distance of over 1000 meters, so as such is much more effective, as your speed will be registered beforen you can even see anyone up ahead, by the time you see them its way way too late.

I have a mate who did 5 years in the highway patrol, and he explained how it all works to me recently.....quite interesting really.

Actually the Germans recently banned speed cameras and the rest of the EU will be following suite after they found they were unsafe.

Lets be honest here no one gets hurt from moving with traffic popping up 10kms over the limit at times but i see accidents everyday in the M5 east tunnel where there is a speed camera every 50M or so and you can not get away with doing 5 over people are so glued to their speedo they dont see the person in front braking.

Now i have always been of the opinion and so is the RTA if you read their handbook that when going through an intersection even though you have the green you should glance both ways to make sure some idiot is not running a red but now these new sneaky "safety cams" have ppl glued to their speedos and in unusual intersections like the one at rushcutters bay there is constant accidents there now caused directly by ppl looking at their speedo and not paying attention to the road.

SPEED CAMERAS ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS THING EVER TO BE PUT ON OUR ROADS

The police have a role enforcing the speed limit and ppl doing unusual and dangerous driving should be pinged but its a joke that they recently reduced the fine for not indicating by deleting the merit point component of it and at the same time adjusted the margin for error that police and cameras use from 10% to 3%.

Changing lanes or turning without indicating is far far more dangerous than doing 64 in a 60 zone.

Anyone who thinks that this is anything other than revenue raising is a idiot!

[Streets]

Can there be a moratorium on these kind of topics please.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Streets

Can there be a moratorium on these kind of topics please.

Why?

The above is VERY interesting.

If it has, in fact been found that speed cameras are a danger on the road rather than a safety measure then if your really believe in "Safety First" as detailed in your profile then you should be in favour of exploring this.

Or are you actually a closet "revenue first" supporter........

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

I believe speed/red light/safety cameras were put in as a measure to reduce road trauma, if they manage to raise revenue then that means that there are a lot of people breaking the rules, the more revenue they raise the more supporters within the Government will say that speed cameras are necessary simply by saying look how many people got done last week, month , year etc etc.

There for we are feeding these people ammunition to install more speed cameras - I am not debating if this is right or wrong, but it is just the way it is, and I do not necessarily agree with this either.

So lets all not donate to the speed camera fund by sticking to the rules, and if the cameras become un profitable (ie no one gets booked) these people will have no ammunition to install further cameras, and they might even get rid of the ones they have for two reasons, they become unprofitable, so the contractors operating mobile speed cameras will go broke, and the road safety people will say, look no one is speeding or running red lights, we do not need them any more.

Now here are two examples I was driving to work last week crossing Henry Lawson drive at Milperra heading east upon Newbridge Road, huge main intersection, with three lanes each way. I was stopped at a red light in the centre lane, had been stopped for a good 10-15 seconds, when a P plater female talking on her mobile phone ran straight through the intersection overtaking me still stopped at a red light. She only looked up when the safety camera flashed (it was still dark in the morning so it was quite obvious). Made my day, I was laughing all the way to work hoping she lost her license over it. Almost the same thing happened in Parramatta yesterday, except no safety camera, was looking around for a cop, but unfortunately did not see one.

I would hate to be the one going through the intersection on a green light with these people coming the other way, lets hope the cameras take them off the road for a while.

By the way I was probably one of the first people in NSW to be booked by a speed camera when they were first introduced, about 4:30am the first day they started operating the first speed cameras and they started issuing fines, so I know what it is like, and I was not happy, but never been done since, so lesson learned.

[Streets]

Originally Posted by flappist

Why?

The above is VERY interesting.

If it has, in fact been found that speed cameras are a danger on the road rather than a safety measure then if your really believe in "Safety First" as detailed in your profile then you should be in favour of exploring this.

Or are you actually a closet "revenue first" supporter........

Yep and I'm a communist too.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Streets

Yep and I'm a communist too.

Well not an unexpected reply.

If you don't like the thread content then don't get involved in it.

Fora are for discussion, that is why they are here.

[Fiesta God]

Originally Posted by bigsta

Actually the Germans recently banned speed cameras and the rest of the EU will be following suite after they found they were unsafe.

Lets be honest here no one gets hurt from moving with traffic popping up 10kms over the limit at times but i see accidents everyday in the M5 east tunnel where there is a speed camera every 50M or so and you can not get away with doing 5 over people are so glued to their speedo they dont see the person in front braking.

Now i have always been of the opinion and so is the RTA if you read their handbook that when going through an intersection even though you have the green you should glance both ways to make sure some idiot is not running a red but now these new sneaky "safety cams" have ppl glued to their speedos and in unusual intersections like the one at rushcutters bay there is constant accidents there now caused directly by ppl looking at their speedo and not paying attention to the road.

SPEED CAMERAS ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS THING EVER TO BE PUT ON OUR ROADS

The police have a role enforcing the speed limit and ppl doing unusual and dangerous driving should be pinged but its a joke that they recently reduced the fine for not indicating by deleting the merit point component of it and at the same time adjusted the margin for error that police and cameras use from 10% to 3%.

Changing lanes or turning without indicating is far far more dangerous than doing 64 in a 60 zone.

Anyone who thinks that this is anything other than revenue raising is a idiot!

Spot on

[DJM83]

Did they measure where and how far off the road the car was? They do it up here all the time must be a regulation with them i often see them setting them up with a tape measure ours also have the 'Speed Camera in use' signs aswell often parallel to the road the camera is on or often in the bushes.

Those that are saying dont speed cannot say hand on heart they have never done so? Everyone in the world these days is in a hurry and wanted everything done yesterday (me included) so that doesnt help.

[bigsta]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I believe speed/red light/safety cameras were put in as a measure to reduce road trauma, if they manage to raise revenue then that means that there are a lot of people breaking the rules, the more revenue they raise the more supporters within the Government will say that speed cameras are necessary simply by saying look how many people got done last week, month , year etc etc.

There for we are feeding these people ammunition to install more speed cameras - I am not debating if this is right or wrong, but it is just the way it is, and I do not necessarily agree with this either.

So lets all not donate to the speed camera fund by sticking to the rules, and if the cameras become un profitable (ie no one gets booked) these people will have no ammunition to install further cameras, and they might even get rid of the ones they have for two reasons, they become unprofitable, so the contractors operating mobile speed cameras will go broke, and the road safety people will say, look no one is speeding or running red lights, we do not need them any more.

Now here are two examples I was driving to work last week crossing Henry Lawson drive at Milperra heading east upon Newbridge Road, huge main intersection, with three lanes each way. I was stopped at a red light in the centre lane, had been stopped for a good 10-15 seconds, when a P plater female talking on her mobile phone ran straight through the intersection overtaking me still stopped at a red light. She only looked up when the safety camera flashed (it was still dark in the morning so it was quite obvious). Made my day, I was laughing all the way to work hoping she lost her license over it. Almost the same thing happened in Parramatta yesterday, except no safety camera, was looking around for a cop, but unfortunately did not see one.

I would hate to be the one going through the intersection on a green light with these people coming the other way, lets hope the cameras take them off the road for a while.

By the way I was probably one of the first people in NSW to be booked by a speed camera when they were first introduced, about 4:30am the first day they started operating the first speed cameras and they started issuing fines, so I know what it is like, and I was not happy, but never been done since, so lesson learned.

I think you totally missed my point red light cameras i support I am referring to safety cameras which are dual red light and speed cameras in one.

What I am stating is that the Germans have proven speed cameras are dangerous and can you seriously argue that doing 10KMs over the speed limit is more dangerous than constantly not paying attention to road conditions?

Perhaps that girl who granted should not be on the phone went through the red was distracted and did not see the red light because she was looking at her speedo as you state "she did look up" from what?? her speedo most likely.

There are a million things distracting us in the car these days and speed cameras and the worry they cause ppl are number one on the list of dangerous distractions.

[bungarra]

I am yet to find any proof form any road safety specialist or from any governmnt agency that proves speed cameras have made any difference to the road toll. The only times any study that has independantly conducted and reviewed correctly has proven anything but an improvement. There has only been two conclusive major changes that have been found to have lower the road toll, these being, compulsory seat belts and air bags.

The road toll in every state went up after the introduction of speed/safety cameras. This was proven in an ANU independant study that was done for the Federal Office of Road Safety, who dismissed it stating the figures wer inconclusive.

When the study was extended and taking out the factors of seat belts and airbags, per capita, the road toll has gone up in most states.

How many pollies will run for cover when eventually enough people say they want real answers?