Ford to Tear Down EcoBoost V-6 "Torture Test" Engine at Detroit Auto Show

[jpd80]

Ford to Tear Down EcoBoost V-6 "Torture Test" Engine at Detroit Auto Show


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Want a chance to see the very same EcoBoost V-6 engine that Ford engineers have
torture tested over the past several months? You can — in pieces — if you attend the first
public day of the 2011 North American International Auto Show in Detroit at 11 a.m. on Jan. 15.

Ford engineers will disassemble and examine the twin-turbo direct-injection six-cylinder gas
engine for long-term durability performance in the Ford powertrain display at Cobo Hall.

The 365-horsepower, 420 pounds-feet of torque EcoBoost V-6 is one of three all-new
engines available for the 2011 Ford F-150. It racked up the equivalent of more than
160,000 miles and 10 years of rugged use after it was “shock” tested on a dyno,
dragged thousands of pounds of logs up steep grades, towed a pair of Ford Fusion
racecars at full throttle around a 1.5-mile oval NASCAR track for 24 hours and raced
in the 1,061-mile Baja 1000.

Why do all that? Ford wants to prove to full-size truck buyers that a six-cylinder turbo
can perform with the same reliability, durability and performance as a V-8, but with up to
20 percent expected better fuel economy.

"Customers will be able to see for themselves how the components fared during a regime
of tests that, when taken together, are far more extreme than even the harshest-use
customer could dish out," said Jim Mazuchowski, V-6 engines programs manager.
"This EcoBoost truck engine received no special treatment, and now we’re going to see how it did."

[388cube_edxr8]

Sounds like the Top Gear Hilux test.

[dylancox]

Does the engine still run?

[Falcon_Crazy]

I watched some of the vids on Fords Us website - nice. FoA may be wise to look at this when launching the 4 pot Falcon next year

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by dylancox

Does the engine still run?

It sure does and Ford already knows what the strip down will show because
I recon they have done far worse to their engines during development testing.

[Dave_Obsession]

I've seen the 5-part Torture Test videos on Youtube. Quite impressive!! If this stuff ever comes out in Falcons....mmmm

[SM1DY]

Waiting.......

[4Vman]

How long before this engine appears in the Falcon...

[FPV8U]

Any Chance of this Engine being in the Ford Rangers future?

[ebxr8240]

Hmm ?? Two threads ...

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

How long before this engine appears in the Falcon...

Under Tom Gorman, V6 Falcon Project was started to replace the I-6 with Duratec 35 but
from what somepeople have relayed, the engine was higher and wider than expected
so a lot of massarging of Sting tower inner aprons and a bulge in the bonnet was required.
Basically all the mods were done but then scrubbed with resurrection of the I-6.


Lessons learned:
If a future shared platform RWD is chosen, the next Gen Falcon will need a
higher bonnet and belt line to accommodate US engines without bulges....
This also mean that a future Falcon can be made significantly shorter..

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Under Tom Gorman, V6 Falcon Project was started to replace the I-6 with Duratec 35 but
from what somepeople have relayed, the engine was higher and wider than expected
so a lot of massarging of Sting tower inner aprons and a bulge in the bonnet was required.
Basically all the mods were done but then scrubbed with resurrection of the I-6.


Lessons learned:
If a future shared platform RWD is chosen, the next Gen Falcon will need a
higher bonnet and belt line to accommodate US engines without bulges....
This also mean that a future Falcon can be made significantly shorter..

When was the V6 originally supposed to be introduced?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Under Tom Gorman, V6 Falcon Project was started to replace the I-6 with Duratec 35 but
from what somepeople have relayed, the engine was higher and wider than expected
so a lot of massarging of Sting tower inner aprons and a bulge in the bonnet was required.
Basically all the mods were done but then scrubbed with resurrection of the I-6.


Lessons learned:
If a future shared platform RWD is chosen, the next Gen Falcon will need a
higher bonnet and belt line to accommodate US engines without bulges....
This also mean that a future Falcon can be made significantly shorter..

That was part of my curiosity too.

I wonder what the Falcon will end up looking like without the need to fit the length of the I6, you can see how the front of a Commodore has less overhang due to only having V configuration engines to accommodate.

[tapeworm]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Crazy

I watched some of the vids on Fords Us website - nice. FoA may be wise to look at this when launching the 4 pot Falcon next year

would be a good idea. The old man reckons the 4cyl Falcon will be an epic fail, it's just a perception, but I reckon the slower people in the community might need proof that it works before it's warmly accepted by Av Joe.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

That was part of my curiosity too.

I wonder what the Falcon will end up looking like without the need to fit the length of the I6, you can see how the front of a Commodore has less overhang due to only having V configuration engines to accommodate.

The FG Falcon's radiator support panel juts forward by about 100mm to accommodate the I-6.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by Brazen

When was the V6 originally supposed to be introduced?

I thought the V6 was intended for Euro4.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by tapeworm

would be a good idea. The old man reckons the 4cyl Falcon will be an epic fail, it's just a perception, but I reckon the slower people in the community might need proof that it works before it's warmly accepted by Av Joe.

This is why I think it should not be called a Falcon and have some styling differences to distance itself from the Falcon (like what Toyota has done with the Camry and Aurion - same car, just different lights and bumpers make it look quite different). Call it a Fusion and the fleets will be all over it.

Originally Posted by jpd80

The FG Falcon's radiator support panel juts forward by about 100mm to accommodate the I-6.

And the firewall is recessed. Does kind of make you wonder if the I6 was an afterthought when they were developing the FG as it was originally slated to form the basis of GRWD and henceforth use corporate engines.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

This is why I think it should not be called a Falcon and have some styling differences to distance itself from the Falcon.

Alan Mulally has done things a little different to what most people would do. People have said "don't call the new 6.7L diesel a Powerstroke." "Don't call this new car a Taurus." "Don't use the name Explorer on this new one." But he was bold enough and daring enough to do it I guess, and look where Ford is. On top. Good thing he is not taking advice from the majority.

[Mongoose]

One true test alot of manufactures seem to miss in these sort of tests is one of the most common - neglect. Miss a few oil changes, put the wrong oil in and not enough, make it missfire for about 20,000kays. they might be able to simulate 10 years of wear, but there is no way the throttle body can be that clean after 10 'years' or 160,000 miles

[Ohio XB]

Just one point I want to mention on the neglect factor (very good thinkingi by the way) is that the oil change interval for this engine is 10,000 miles with synthetic blend oil instead of the usual 3,000 miles. In the US this means only 1 oil change a year, on average.


Steve

[SM1DY]

Found this vid on YouTube, it's a slideshow of pics of the EcoBoost teardown at the Detroit motor show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFfRcwesqNg

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford to Tear Down EcoBoost V-6 "Torture Test" Engine at Detroit Auto Show

I would rather watch them dismantle a durability test engine.

[mik]

after 160000 tortured miles i reckon its ballsey of Ford to dismantle the engine in public, had it been stuffed regardless of the punishment it would`nt look to good, it shows confidence in the product, a big thumbs up to the engine builders and Ford in my book.

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I would rather watch them dismantle a durability test engine.

What like this one http://www.youtube.com/user/fordtrucks?blend=2&ob=1

The coyote 5.0 that was tested at 307kw was also a durability block.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I would rather watch them dismantle a durability test engine.

Still takes some big kahunas to pull it apart live not knowing what is inside though.

[SM1DY]

While we're at it, the final installment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lToZuwbQhLk

[Ohio XB]

Originally Posted by SM1DY

Found this vid on YouTube, it's a slideshow of pics of the EcoBoost teardown at the Detroit motor show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFfRcwesqNg

I'm glad you liked that video, it's mine. I posted it in this thread about attending the auto show....

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11319860


My video was the first one on Youtube, and possibly the entire internet, of the teardown.


Steve

[BradZ]

I don't understand how it has the same amount of torque and Kw after what, 300,000KM's? From what i've seen our Falcon motors lose Kw and torque after about 100,000. Correct me if im wrong, im just curious as to how this works?

[Bossxr8]

Age and thousands of cold starts can't be simulated in a few short months of durability testing. That is where most of the wear occurs in an engine and probably causes most of the power loss that occurs over time and k's.

These durability test engines run for long periods at a time and probably don't have a lot of cold starts during their test lives.

[mik]

on the other hand no one in normal use is going to freeze them then run them at full throttle and repeat the process over and over again, so it would seem a fair test.