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Old 03-04-2013, 12:12 PM   #1
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Default Prelim March 2013 sales figures

TOP SELLING CARS IN MARCH 2013
Mazda3 3785
Toyota Corolla 3510
Toyota HiLux 3125
Hyundai i30 2295
Nissan Navara 2440
Mitsubishi Triton 1995
Toyota Camry 1915
Ford Ranger 1685
Nissan Pulsar 1630
Holden Commodore 1605
*Preliminary sales figures, rounded. Official data released later this week.

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Old 03-04-2013, 12:29 PM   #2
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The Australian car buying public disgust me.

Farewell to this once great nation, as it is well and truly going to the dogs.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:33 PM   #3
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keen to see Focus numbers we added 1 to those in March
Good to see Ranger selling strong. Well deserved.
Also good to see Mazda 3 continuing to outsell the Corolla.
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At least Camry (locally-made) did well.

I'm guessing 700-800 for Falcon and MAYBE 1000 for Territory.

I did not see a new one of either on the road during March (based on number plate sequence).
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The Japanese cars are doing well, the Japanese government and central bank are pumping billions into devaluing the Yen, which is making their vehicle exports a lot cheaper.

I think Honda is thinking of sourcing some of their vehicle for Australia from Japan rather than Thailand.
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The Japanese cars are doing well, the Japanese government and central bank are pumping billions into devaluing the Yen, which is making their vehicle exports a lot cheaper.

I think Honda is thinking of sourcing some of their vehicle for Australia from Japan rather than Thailand.
So Honda should because my brother's Accord Euro has some misaligned door trims on the outside on both sides. The silver bits are clearly 2-3mm off in terms of the horizontal lines flowing from front to rear window. Probably Thai quality control dropping somewhat.

The sales figures represent NSW and Qld buying 4 cylinders a lot more in their fleets i suspect.
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So Honda should because my brother's Accord Euro has some misaligned door trims on the outside on both sides. The silver bits are clearly 2-3mm off in terms of the horizontal lines flowing from front to rear window. Probably Thai quality control dropping somewhat.

The sales figures represent NSW and Qld buying 4 cylinders a lot more in their fleets i suspect.
The utes are the real seismic shift in the market. There is not a single SUV, but there are 4 utes in the top 10. Sadly there is no spill over in sales to the local low-riding utes in the market shift.
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The pulsar continues to surprise me. It is amazing what deference changing a name can do. Did the Nida ever sell anything close to these numbers? Brand power & what it can do for sales!!!

And has Holden showing us the next Commdore been a very costly mistake by Holden? Will that change Ford's mind about showing 2014 Falcon early???
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The pulsar continues to surprise me. It is amazing what deference changing a name can do. Did the Nida ever sell anything close to these numbers? Brand power & what it can do for sales!!!

And has Holden showing us the next Commdore been a very costly mistake by Holden? Will that change Ford's mind about showing 2014 Falcon early???

Nissan would be selling Pulsar to the rental market by the boat load.

If Ford wants to be competitive they need more ranger stock. Perhaps they should have turn broad meadows into a Ranger / Focus line. Supply in today's market is key to success. Toyota prove this over and over. No point in building the best cars of nearly every segment if you can't supply them. I feel sorry for Ford dealers!
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The pulsar continues to surprise me. It is amazing what deference changing a name can do. Did the Nida ever sell anything close to these numbers? Brand power & what it can do for sales!!!

And has Holden showing us the next Commdore been a very costly mistake by Holden? Will that change Ford's mind about showing 2014 Falcon early???
I always thought it was a huge mistake to not rename the Focus to the Laser for the AU market.
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there are/were 500-600 EcoLPi from Dec/Jan that had to be held. Could see Falcon up around 1200-1400. Let's see.
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I always thought it was a huge mistake to not rename the Focus to the Laser for the AU market.
It would be a top-seller.
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My bad - wrong month.

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TOP SELLING CARS IN MARCH 2013
Mazda3 3785
Toyota Corolla 3510
Toyota HiLux 3125
Hyundai i30 2295
Nissan Navara 2440
Mitsubishi Triton 1995
Toyota Camry 1915
Ford Ranger 1685
Nissan Pulsar 1630
Holden Commodore 1605
*Preliminary sales figures, rounded. Official data released later this week.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/busine...-1226611137074
GMHolden said last month it was a computer / I.T. problem which stopped them reporting all the vehicle sales in February. (Thereby implying a big March) But the problem was since reported as fixed. I called it BS.

So, then what happened to all those Commodore and Cruze sales that were 'carried over' into March 2013? Ouch, between Commodore and Cruze, GMHolden sales are down what 2,000 or more a month for 2 months? Not good for the local producers.

I wish we were making Ranger/Everest here in Australia.
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TOP SELLING CARS IN MARCH 2013
Mazda3 3785
Toyota Corolla 3510
Toyota HiLux 3125
Hyundai i30 2295
Nissan Navara 2440
Mitsubishi Triton 1995
Toyota Camry 1915
Ford Ranger 1685
Nissan Pulsar 1630
Holden Commodore 1605
*Preliminary sales figures, rounded. Official data released later this week.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/busine...-1226611137074
Oh great, even more high riding, and slow tubs on the road.
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GMHolden said last month it was a computer / I.T. problem which stopped them reporting all the vehicle sales in February. (Thereby implying a big March) But the problem was since reported as fixed. I called it BS.

So, then what happened to all those Commodore and Cruze sales that were 'carried over' into March 2013? Ouch, between Commodore and Cruze, GMHolden sales are down what 2,000 or more a month for 2 months? Not good for the local producers.

I wish we were making Ranger/Everest here in Australia.
VE stock is woeful. Don't know what they are doing but dealers have very little VE stock. Either Holdens building predominantly Cruzeiro stock or VF is in production. Perhaps they are building export stock at the moment as well as media / eval cars.
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VE stock is woeful. Don't know what they are doing but dealers have very little VE stock. Either Holdens building predominantly Cruzeiro stock or VF is in production. Perhaps they are building export stock at the moment as well as media / eval cars.
I think you'll find that Holden is still making VEs but dealers are loath to stock them because they know everyone is holding off for VF.
This is a terrible time for Holden dealers but IMO, Holden should be offering strong discounts right up to VF to shift the last of the VEs.
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VE stock is woeful. Don't know what they are doing but dealers have very little VE stock. Either Holdens building predominantly Cruzeiro stock or VF is in production. Perhaps they are building export stock at the moment as well as media / eval cars.
Yeah, you basically cant get an Omega or a V8 at the moment.
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Probably already asked and answered, but Commodore figures include sedan + wagon + ute don't they?

So Falcon sedan + ute + Territory would equal more right??
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Probably already asked and answered, but Commodore figures include sedan + wagon + ute don't they?

So Falcon sedan + ute + Territory would equal more right??
Commodore ute is seperate. Only commy wagon and sedan is included. Commodore ute is called Holden ute 4x2 in the sales charts.
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Yeah, you basically cant get an Omega or a V8 at the moment.
Which makes me think all the 6.0 allocations are being built as VF's for export. VF goes on sale here in June so production must start soon.
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It would be a top-seller.
No it wouldn't. They couldn't get enough supply of it to be a top seller.
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Commodore ute is seperate. Only commy wagon and sedan is included. Commodore ute is called Holden ute 4x2 in the sales charts.
Does that apply for Falcon ute also?
Falcon figures are only for sedan?
ute is seperate?

Still not all bad news... Falcon + Territory numbers are still on par with commodore sedan + wagon numbers.

My folks are really loving their new TS Terry. Where they live in semi-rural WA, the Territory is a very prominent car on the roads. We even stopped at an RBT station over Easter and the police fleet were Territory's!
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Does that apply for Falcon ute also?
Falcon figures are only for sedan?
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Still not all bad news... Falcon + Territory numbers are still on par with commodore sedan + wagon numbers.

My folks are really loving their new TS Terry. Where they live in semi-rural WA, the Territory is a very prominent car on the roads. We even stopped at an RBT station over Easter and the police fleet were Territory's!
Falcon ute is seperate. Holden would still win once you throw Cruze into the equation. Caprice is on its last legs....

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Where does the Focus figure in this, surely a tidy little runner...lack of stock ?
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Oh great, even more high riding, and slow tubs on the road.
I drive one of those and it doesn't feel particularly slow :-)
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Is that something you know as fact or just a theory?
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Is that something you know as fact or just a theory?
Fact. Toyota does the same with Corrolla.
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Fact. Toyota does the same with Corrolla.
Do you care to share this fact with the rest of us?? Pulsar sold 1630 units in March, how many of them are to rental companies? If you can't answer that question, then you have a theory & not a fact!!
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Fact. Toyota does the same with Corrolla.
Over the Easter period here in Tasmania, I have seen a lot of Ecoboost G6's as rental cars. Looks like one of the rental car companies got a new fleet of them. Should make some good buys on the second hand market.
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