Qld Government axe Classic Cars/Formals

**buggerlugs** · 26-02-2014, 01:02 PM

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...a-fac/2180986/
I have done plenty of Formals in my cars but have never charged. Doesn't bother me, Cars get a run and kids are happy.............

LG17 · 26-02-2014, 01:59 PM

Can I take my kid to the formal in my classic car or is that taboo also?

Rockape · 26-02-2014, 02:00 PM

Cash grab nothing more. revenue revenue revenue if they didn't waste so much money on crap they wouldn't need so much of our money.

JG65TE · 26-02-2014, 02:12 PM

goes round every now and then, think last snarly I saw was in perth. I would personally never use my cars for weddings or dropping dressed up 18 yr old girls off at their formal because I have too much respect for our illustrious government . what you blokes don't realize is that the gov is there to protect ourselves from ourselves. wasn't too sarcastic was it ?

Smoke Pursuit · 26-02-2014, 02:14 PM

Not necessarily. Theres a bit more to this then people think.

There are guys out there that do this as a business and pay high insurance and registration costs. There are other guys that are trying to subsidize the costs of owning a classic car by doing cashies. Not all of them will be doing it regularly but some of them are running a business, without the correct registration or insurances.

I think its fair enough.

Lotte · 26-02-2014, 02:19 PM

Didn't something similar happen in SA recently? God forbid someone drops their kids/family off at a formal/wedding/similar in a nice car.

Better just save the classics for the daily school run.

vdo · 26-02-2014, 02:35 PM

I reckon they couldn't do anything if your own direct family were being driven and dropped off for free. After all, it IS one of the family's cars, right..? Whether you choose to use the Tarago or the GT Falcon, that's your choice. There could be a problem however, if your car is on club rego, then they have a case as it's not on it's way to or from a classic or club event or repairs.

jpblue1000 · 26-02-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Not necessarily. Theres a bit more to this then people think.

There are guys out there that do this as a business and pay high insurance and registration costs. There are other guys that are trying to subsidize the costs of owning a classic car by doing cashies. Not all of them will be doing it regularly but some of them are running a business, without the correct registration or insurances.

I think its fair enough.

Spot on, the article actually ststes they were paid to do the job, to cover costs is payment. Does not apply to dropping family at an event...unless they pay!
So getting licensed and insured like the official industry is only fair.
Bit like a tarif for industry protection, ban those cheap suppliers which steal work from the legit practisioners. eh, alright for some but not others?
Hmm what am I talking about?

JP

**Revolver** · 26-02-2014, 03:33 PM

Love the Comment (first one) from the old couple:

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One for think that putting peoples lives before the "have it all " attitude of kids would be more important. What were these men thinking all the rules were for and why we have taxi licences and so forth. I presume it was more cash income for buying bigger and better that could have been the focus. Arriving in a fancy car is just another form of attention getting for spoilt kids who parents can afford it.
Why do we copy every stupid idea that comes out of the USA media like child pageants for example.

So why dont the Teenagers just attend the function in the Family 4WD or a Taxi, Wear T-Shirts, Shorts and Thongs as well as a Raggy old dress?? I thought our elders had a sense of taste, being they were in the days of elegance and taste, you know, where women always went out looking fantastic and, gentlemen were exactly that?

I went to my Formal in a family friends 1960 Dodge Phoenix, fee free, maybe dad gave him some fuel money. And I got a standing ovation on my arrival. I got told later by my friends I was the only one to get one. And I wasn't uber popular either. You cant buy that feeling at that time in your life. That same car drove my step mother to her and my dads wedding. Fee free. It was his wedding present to them.

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Not necessarily. Theres a bit more to this then people think.

There are guys out there that do this as a business and pay high insurance and registration costs. There are other guys that are trying to subsidize the costs of owning a classic car by doing cashies. Not all of them will be doing it regularly but some of them are running a business, without the correct registration or insurances.

I think its fair enough.

See, I don't understand this even from an Entrepreneurial view how the guys can do this. My car is my pleasure. And the next rule in business after "Never doing business with family", is "You do not mix business with pleasure."

The other issue with this is, that there are guys who do this just for an excuse to drive the car, to show off their hard work, or just make a Teenagers wish come true, no payment required, if you want or feel obliged, feel free to throw some fuel money in. The question is, how do you separate these guys from the fly-by-nighters doing cashies. They aren't. Thats the issue.

If you have a ute and a friend asks you to help move house, or anything like a fridge or something, and gives you money for fuel, do you need to declare this as an income, and if you need to, who the hell does? No-one I would think.

Itsme · 26-02-2014, 04:59 PM

I think its all about you should register for a business & stop taking cashies under the table, nothing more.

Most likely limmo hire car companies are complaining about lost of business.

DJR David · 26-02-2014, 05:06 PM

Yep, what is the issue with this law? You charge someone for a service, don't pay tax, don't pay insurance. An accident happens and those who are hurt are screwed.

ozpacman · 26-02-2014, 05:48 PM

There are also plenty of classic car owners who say they do these things for free but then accept a "donation" in return for the favour. That is no different to charging money up front.

I know a guy who has two classic American cars licenced and approved as hire vehicles and I'm aware of the hoops he had to jump through to get there. Why should others be allowed to take a share of his business without lifting a finger.

If I went and parked in front of the pub and offered to drive people home for a donation you can imagine how long I'd last.

The ones that really annoy me with this stuff are those who make a killing doing formals and weddings whilst their cars are on concessional registration.

Russ.

CoupeKing · 26-02-2014, 06:28 PM

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...319487048.html

If that happened and you didnt have insurance, say bye bye to your car/s and then some. Wouldnt even have to be as severe as that for an Embarrassed Bride to start swinging the Sue Hammer.

chevypower · 26-02-2014, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Not necessarily. Theres a bit more to this then people think.

There are guys out there that do this as a business and pay high insurance and registration costs. There are other guys that are trying to subsidize the costs of owning a classic car by doing cashies. Not all of them will be doing it regularly but some of them are running a business, without the correct registration or insurances.

I think its fair enough.

So they have conditioned you to think the way they want you to then. So what if a guy wants to make money with his investment (classic car)? That's what they call crony capitalism, picking winners and losers. There's people with lots of money who can afford all the expensive fees. The government is driving out competition (doing favors for the established businesses) and making it hard for the little guy. If they want registration, then fine... Even requiring insurance. Registration fees should only cover the administrative costs. What's next? You can't take passengers if they are not related to you so they can keep the taxi industry thriving?

**cs123** · 26-02-2014, 07:26 PM

Is there any regulations regarding the age of a limo?

pmacc · 26-02-2014, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

Is there any regulations regarding the age of a limo?

There are but it Varies between each state. In SA older stuff has to go onto a SV plate rather than a TV plate (SV has a few more restrictions over a TV)

For the Limousine industry these cashies are hurting their business but goodluck finding a Charger, Valiant, Torana, Prem, Fairlanes or Galaxie to hire if you want something different

pottery beige · 26-02-2014, 08:23 PM

these are killer

http://www.prostreetweddings.com/

**Jastel** · 26-02-2014, 08:33 PM

Yes 12 years I think. Also only cars above $60000ish and on approved list.
There is a separate category for over 30 yo classic cars.
Any limo like taxis will be subject to all QT laws, such as drivers/owners licensing, have twice yearly mechanical inspections and pay a MUCH higher CTP premium in their rego.
Club rego is definitely not allowed to carry paying passengers.

If they advertise on FB then they clearly want business and must pay the fees like all other licensed operators.

If you take a relative, and no payment is made, that is ok.

Smoke Pursuit · 26-02-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

So they have conditioned you to think the way they want you to then. So what if a guy wants to make money with his investment (classic car)? That's what they call crony capitalism, picking winners and losers. There's people with lots of money who can afford all the expensive fees. The government is driving out competition (doing favors for the established businesses) and making it hard for the little guy. If they want registration, then fine... Even requiring insurance. Registration fees should only cover the administrative costs. What's next? You can't take passengers if they are not related to you so they can keep the taxi industry thriving?

If a guy wants to make money with his classic car then fine. But you need to do it properly. Once he went out and paid all the expenses associated with running the business he would not do it, because the costs would outweigh the benefits unless he was doing 2 weddings a week 52 weeks a year. Even then he would probably be lucky to break even.

The laws there to protect people too, who think they are just helping someone out for a few dollars.

**GasoLane** · 26-02-2014, 08:43 PM

A couple of sentences in the article are curious...

"James Bailey holds a notice from the Department of Transport threatening him with a $2200 fine if he continues to accept payment for driving Year 12 students to formals in his 1970 Holden HT Premier."

"We just do this as a hobby because taking kids to formals and doing weddings is fun."

and

"We're not doing it to make a living - we just want to cover our costs. We spend about three hours cleaning our car before each wedding."

So, which is it. Is he charging them to take them or is he doing it for fun and free.

If he's charging them then yes, he should have the appropriate accreditation.

And if they're advertising the service on Facebook they're stupid!!

chevypower · 26-02-2014, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

If a guy wants to make money with his classic car then fine. But you need to do it properly. Once he went out and paid all the expenses associated with running the business he would not do it, because the costs would outweigh the benefits unless he was doing 2 weddings a week 52 weeks a year. Even then he would probably be lucky to break even.

And that's exactly the problem. Governments making the costs of establishing and running a business way too high.

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

The laws there to protect people too

So they keep telling us. How effective would political campaigns be if they couldn't "protect us?"

Mercury 8 · 26-02-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

And that's exactly the problem. Governments making the costs of establishing and running a business way too high.

So they keep telling us. How effective would political campaigns be if they couldn't "protect us?"

Insurance costs would be the snag not permit costs as they are usually fair.

Smoke Pursuit · 26-02-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

And that's exactly the problem. Governments making the costs of establishing and running a business way too high.

So they keep telling us. How effective would political campaigns be if they couldn't "protect us?"

If it was cheaper to register a limo and insure one then more people would be in it. Then the guys who have paid mega dollars for a limo licence would be the ones getting rorted.

I'm sorry but you can't have it everyway.

chevypower · 26-02-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

If it was cheaper to register a limo and insure one then more people would be in it. Then the guys who have paid mega dollars for a limo licence would be the ones getting rorted.

I'm sorry but you can't have it everyway.

I don't want it every way. I want governments to stop requiring heavy licensure fees, so more business can compete on products and services, lowering prices to the consumer, giving the consumer more choices and creating more competition. So no guy should have to pay mega dollars for a limo license. As prices drop, consumer demand increases, so there is more business to spread around the larger industry. It puts more people back to work and off welfare.

Lotte · 26-02-2014, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

A couple of sentences in the article are curious...

"James Bailey holds a notice from the Department of Transport threatening him with a $2200 fine if he continues to accept payment for driving Year 12 students to formals in his 1970 Holden HT Premier."

"We just do this as a hobby because taking kids to formals and doing weddings is fun."

and

"We're not doing it to make a living - we just want to cover our costs. We spend about three hours cleaning our car before each wedding."

So, which is it. Is he charging them to take them or is he doing it for fun and free.

If he's charging them then yes, he should have the appropriate accreditation.

And if they're advertising the service on Facebook they're stupid!!

I'm no tax expert, but there's a statement about earning from hobbies on the ato website. It's not compulsory to declare it as income up to 5k. Of course, this doesn't include insurance and what not, but if its a hobby, you don't need to register as a business (therefore the car is technically not being used for business purposes). It's a grey area in that respect.

The other thing is, he hasn't stated he doesn't charge them when saying he does it as a hobby and for fun. Covering costs is fair, and isn't making a profit, so it's not a business as outlined above.

Similarly, I teach piano as part of my hobby, I don't get much for it as I only have three students and charge bugger all. What I charge covers my own lessons. I don't have to declare anything due to my low income from it, I do it from home and I'm not a registered business because of it. I don't need to change my insurance because I'm not a business so my house is still used for residential purposes only. If and when I start earning more than 5k I'll set up properly, until then, like these guys, it's a hobby and I'm covering costs.

*waits for the Feds to knock on my door*

XBROO · 27-02-2014, 01:19 PM

Done a few but won't do any more, for this reason as well as non car people just don't have respect for cars. So the little bit of pocket money isn't worth it anyway as you spend time cleaning. As well as driving drunks that want to take alcohol in the car, then use it as a seat when it's photo time. Then think you're rude when you say, no you can't take that in my car or lean against it.

pottery beige · 27-02-2014, 01:32 PM

I did a few weddings when my front bar was a bit scuffed up

Photo time I made sure dudes stood in front of scuffy bar bits

Itsme · 27-02-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotte

I'm no tax expert, but there's a statement about earning from hobbies on the ato website. It's not compulsory to declare it as income up to 5k. Of course, this doesn't include insurance and what not, but if its a hobby, you don't need to register as a business (therefore the car is technically not being used for business purposes). It's a grey area in that respect.

The other thing is, he hasn't stated he doesn't charge them when saying he does it as a hobby and for fun. Covering costs is fair, and isn't making a profit, so it's not a business as outlined above.

Similarly, I teach piano as part of my hobby, I don't get much for it as I only have three students and charge bugger all. What I charge covers my own lessons. I don't have to declare anything due to my low income from it, I do it from home and I'm not a registered business because of it. I don't need to change my insurance because I'm not a business so my house is still used for residential purposes only. If and when I start earning more than 5k I'll set up properly, until then, like these guys, it's a hobby and I'm covering costs.

*waits for the Feds to knock on my door*

When is a Hobby not a hobby is the real question? You will not escape the Tax man when income is involved.

OBTW I could not find any reference to the 5K income limit you mentioned for hobbies, would appreciate a link to it!

V8 Ghia Mike · 27-02-2014, 05:37 PM

We had a 65 Mustang cashie ride for our wedding a couple of weeks ago. I can't imagine any cop cruel enough to pull over a bride in a classic car on the way to her wedding?

Mike

DJR David · 27-02-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by V8 Ghia Mike

We had a 65 Mustang cashie ride for our wedding a couple of weeks ago. I can't imagine any cop cruel enough to pull over a bride in a classic car on the way to her wedding?

Mike

For sure, one would hope you are right. But god forbid if there had been an accident. The insurance company just has to prove the owner of the vehicle was using it for non-private use, and all insurance is null and void......