Ford recalls 3000 LPG Falcons

[ohzone]

Ford Australia has recalled more than 3000 Falcon sedans and utes over a potential gas leak that could result in a fire.

The recall affects 3256 FGII EcoLPi vehicles built between 2011 and 2012

http://watoday.drive.com.au/motor-ne...318-34yuh.html

[Wretched]

Wow, dangerous but good that Ford has recognised and accepted the issue, taken on the responsibility and recalled the cars.
Good work.

[fgpsi]

and that's why I'll never buy a gas powered car

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

and that's why I'll never buy a gas powered car

And without a decent marketing/education program its no wonder the LiLPG was never going to work.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

and that's why I'll never buy a gas powered car

Not a lot different to a Petrol leak,

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

and that's why I'll never buy a gas powered car

Any fuel system can leak, busted the injector return line on my diesel Focus and it urinated diesel all over itself.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

and that's why I'll never buy a gas powered car

Petrol engined cars never catch fire do they?

[Dalonian]

I love my ECOLPI but this will be the second recall of it in the first 18 months of ownership. Not very good....

[GTP-814]

Wow they sold that many

[ILLaViTaR]

I was going to say something about build quality before I even opened that link and yep turns out to be negligence and not a defect.

Don't blame lpg. Blame a company with sapped motivation thus poor build quality.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

and that's why I'll never buy a gas powered car

What do you drive? Pedal car

Seriously LPG cars are just as safe as any other car with all the safety regulations controlling the installation set up, only LPG cars that is dangerous is when some DODO has done a dodgy installation & should not be on the roads.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Not a lot different to a Petrol leak,

Petrol does not expand 270 :1 . I don't like the idea of driving around with pressurised gas cylinder in the car.
Main reason for buying an LPG car is savings on fuel cost. If cost of running a car on LPG was the same as petrol or diesel how many people would buy an LPG car?

[pottery beige]

dude finds random bag of o rings under a bench

hey, what are these for...

[Franco Cozzo]

Weight reduction is what they're for.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Petrol does not expand 270 :1 . I don't like the idea of driving around with pressurised gas cylinder in the car.
Main reason for buying an LPG car is savings on fuel cost. If cost of running a car on LPG was the same as petrol or diesel how many people would buy an LPG car?

high pressure is far safer the low/no pressure, if a flame somehow makes its way back to the tank it can't go boom because the gas is so condensed oxygen cannot react to create an explosion.

I agree with the fuel costs my eb uses over 20l per 100k's on lpg and 12.5l on petrol, it's actually slightly cheaper to run petrol so I'm currently just doing that atm I've taken the mixer out of the intake and got almost 1/4 of my power back I haven't checked but this would probably make my economy on petrol even better. I just don't think gas is worth it anymore. It was just over 40 cents 2 years ago and it's more than doubled in price since then. It's gone up a lot more than 12.5c that's for sure.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by GTP-814

Wow they sold that many

they are popular with fleet owners, we have quite a few in our fleet (as a matter of fact I have one this week)

Remember, over 80% of new cars sales are into fleets

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Petrol does not expand 270 :1 . I don't like the idea of driving around with pressurised gas cylinder in the car.
Main reason for buying an LPG car is savings on fuel cost. If cost of running a car on LPG was the same as petrol or diesel how many people would buy an LPG car?

How many LPG powered cars are there in Australia and how many of these have exploded for no particular reason? All fuel will burn off in a fire situation, LPG tends to bleed off from the valves and make a spectacular fire, but I don't recall one B.L.E.V.E. in a car, I know of at least one in a LPG tanker and one high volume tank

Australia has some of the highest standards for LPG cylinders in the world

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Petrol does not expand 270 :1 . I don't like the idea of driving around with pressurised gas cylinder in the car.

Yes the gas is compressed but if a gas tank is ruptured for whatever reason it wont pop like a balloon, escaping gas will ignite if there is direct flame
but that is no different from petrol.
in fact However Petrol Vapour is far more combustible than LPG, and Petrol Vapour does not burn, it explodes. one litre of petrol can make 15,000 litres of Vapour
in comparison LPG is much harder to ignite hence why LPG cars need to have a good spark to operate efficiently.

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Main reason for buying an LPG car is savings on fuel cost. If cost of running a car on LPG was the same as petrol or diesel how many people would buy an LPG car?

The debate on whether LPG is efficient is irrelevant to this thread, but at the moment it still is better than Petrol or Diesel (for an existing conversion)

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

one litre of petrol can make 15,000 litres of Vapour

not under normal conditions, or did you mean combusted, because even then I think the number is way off

[ILLaViTaR]

my mate used to work at a forklift servicing joint and they used to have to load their propane gas bottles onto the back of little trailers and cart them around, frequently they'd fall off and bounce all over the ground for a few seconds or sometimes get crushed by forklifts. He said they can't rupture not sure if this is true but.

[GASWAGON]

Maybe the faulty part was made in the LPG/Orbital factory in W.A?

Still not good for Ford to have to go thru every car and check over.....At least its only the LPG models!

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by EF_6

Maybe the faulty part was made in the LPG/Orbital factory in W.A?

Still not good for Ford to have to go thru every car and check over.....At least its only the LPG models!

Why is it not good for Ford to check the cars?

After all they are responsible for the manufactured car they sold to you with warranty, even if the warranty has run out they still have an obligation to a product recall.

[buggerlugs]

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226870651593
That's not a recall. THIS is a recall that took to long.............

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226870651593
That's not a recall. THIS is a recall that took to long.............

No they are both recalls. THe recall for BA Facons with excessive driveline shunt and poor quality diffs is taking a tad longer to get underway.

[pottery beige]

if youre getting shunt youre doing it wrong

[buggerlugs]

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busin...-1226871302451

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by b0son

not under normal conditions, or did you mean combusted, because even then I think the number is way off

Yes under normal conditions, its heavier than air so can fill up in spaces like a garage pit if not vented.
http://garageexpo.co.uk/petrol-more-...u-might-think/

I believe LPG does this also, but its harder to ignite

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Yes under normal conditions, its heavier than air so can fill up in spaces like a garage pit if not vented.
http://garageexpo.co.uk/petrol-more-...u-might-think/

The author has his numbers quite wrong... 29g of air for example, takes up around 25L. Fuel has a vapour density of ~3.5 (ie. a given volume of fuel vapour has 3.5x the mass of the same volume of air), so around 100g of fuel vapour takes up 25L. 1L fuel = 750g, so only around 200L of vapour.

[Vesper Martini]

Ok sounds like he does, its still a lot though

[jpd80]

The only gas leak my EcoLPI ute is me...