Vfacts October

[Rob 351]

Ranger #1 again.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...HF_PEKeJlOiggk

[DJR-351]

Ford EcoSport – 0
Ford Endura – 0
Ford Escape – 1
Ford Everest – 543
Ford Fiesta – 6
Ford Focus – 15
Ford Mondeo – 0
Ford Mustang – 269
Ford Puma – 283
Ford Ranger 4X2 – 294
Ford Ranger 4X4 – 3841
Ford Transit Bus – 13
Ford Transit Custom – 102
Ford Transit Heavy – 95

Ford Total – 5462

[Bossxr8]

Supply out of Europe is nearly non-existent. 1 Escape.

[b0son]

next generation Mustang to be built on Ranger platform ... sure seems like thats where things are headed

[Smoke Pursuit]

Theres about 700 escapes coming I believe for Dec.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by b0son

next generation Mustang to be built on Ranger platform ... sure seems like thats where things are headed

Mustangs out at Dingo P1$$ Creek, or Gunshot Creek perhaps.

[Hemihunter]

cannot believe 283 people actually like the Ford Puma

[Franco Cozzo]

*Insert incoherent conspiracy theory about chip supply here from Franco*

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Theres about 700 escapes coming I believe for Dec.

I don't know how many are on board but my wife's Escape is on board HÖEGH DETROIT due into Freemantle on 7/11, Melb 14/11, Pt Kembla 17/11 and Brisbane 21/11

Oh, and I cancelled the order so if anyone wants a Lucid Red, Escape Vignale AWD with 20's try the Ford dealer in Dandenong.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

Ranger #1 again.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...HF_PEKeJlOiggk

The Falcon Ranger Car Company is still a one trick pony.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

cannot believe 283 people actually like the Ford Puma

As opposed to the 1500 people who bought the decade old ASX?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

*Insert incoherent conspiracy theory about chip supply here from Franco*

A sort of inter-related question, who controls the product planning of the Thai Ford factories and those in our region? I'd guess building Rangers and sending more of the available supplier pool components like semi-conductors etc..to help keep production up is a priority in this region or Ford Aus would be stuffed even more.

I'd imagine China is under it's own independent control and based on MG sales it seems they are less constrained on parts issues.

Ford EU self-interest has to worry about supplying the EU markets first over Australia as we obviously could have received more Escapes during the year if that decision was forced through by cutting some euro market builds and building Oz spec models.

Anyway, now that we've decided to keep our 2016 Terry (45K km) and see where the EV market heads, I'm going to research some upgrades for the Terry...there's a neighbour that I want to remove some smug smile factor from ...either that or smoke him literally with our non-DPF 2.7V6 lion.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'd guess building Rangers and sending more of the available supplier pool components like semi-conductors etc..to help keep production up is a priority in this region or Ford Aus would be stuffed even more.

The last thing they'd want is for Toyota to usurp their position at the top of the ute tree. When's the last time Toyota dropped from no.1 in a market segment?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by b0son

The last thing they'd want is for Toyota to usurp their position at the top of the ute tree. When's the last time Toyota dropped from no.1 in a market segment?

They didn’t lose sales crown but perhaps it was when Toyota thought Hilux
not having a five star crash rating didn’t matter?
That was the defining moment that gave Ford and the Ranger real oxygen.


Seriously though, Toyota is also facing supply and delivery timing issues,
that more than anything is making and hurting monthly sales.
I am pleased that Ranger is still selling strongly but we know that Ute sales
is not a zero sum game, Ranger and Hilux prosper in spite of each other

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

A sort of inter-related question, who controls the product planning of the Thai Ford factories and those in our region? I'd guess building Rangers and sending more of the available supplier pool components like semi-conductors etc..to help keep production up is a priority in this region or Ford Aus would be stuffed even more.

I'd imagine China is under it's own independent control and based on MG sales it seems they are less constrained on parts issues.

Ford EU self-interest has to worry about supplying the EU markets first over Australia as we obviously could have received more Escapes during the year if that decision was forced through by cutting some euro market builds and building Oz spec models.

I remember reading on here that the Ranger is one of, if not THE most profitable model Ford makes. Ford have already stated they have prioritized their most profitable models in regards to rationing the chips.

[BENT_8]

Most entertaining part of that article is the suggestion thar Ranger may be the first Ford product in 26 years to top the Aussie sales market.
Needing to outsell the Hilux by only 3000 units in the remaining 58 days when they've just outsold them by a mere 170 in November suggests they'll only need to extend the calendar year by 18 months to achieve that goal.
Im excited at the prospect.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I remember reading on here that the Ranger is one of, if not THE most profitable model Ford makes. Ford have already stated they have prioritized their most profitable models in regards to rationing the chips.

That is true, apart from F Series, Ranger is Ford’s most profitable Model.
Any Ford region that doesn’t have good pickup sales is underwater profit wise.

[deesun]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

As opposed to the 1500 people who bought the decade old ASX?

But are they in the same class together? I would have thought Puma in smaller class than ASX.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

As opposed to the 1500 people who bought the decade old ASX?

I own an older ASX.
Okay, nothing special about them, fairly boring in fact.

Mitsubishi may be the poor sister to Toyota, but they are bargain priced for a fully imported Japanese SUV, and highly reliable as a daily runabout.

Going on 7 years now from new, 105,000 Kms, and it's never missed a beat once.

I'll take a Jap SUV anyday over a Puma made in Romania.

[jpd80]

So I’m wondering, now that all manufacturers have seen that buyers will pay more when
there’s fewer vehicles to sell, could that mean an end to all the discounts and lower cost
vehicles that abounded before 2020?

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by jpd80

So I’m wondering, now that all manufacturers have seen that buyers will pay more when
there’s fewer vehicles to sell, could that mean an end to all the discounts and lower cost
vehicles that abounded before 2020?

I think while there are shortages of semiconductors, and now Magnesium for body panels, and demand outstrips supply, we will see these higher prices till at least the end of 2022.

Competition will then return as it always has after that once there is excess supply.

However, I think the distribution / retail model of how some car brands are sold may change leading to less discounting than we saw in pre-pandemic times.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

I think while there are shortages of semiconductors, and now Magnesium for body panels, and demand outstrips supply, we will see these higher prices till at least the end of 2022.

Competition will then return as it always has after that once there is excess supply.

However, I think the distribution / retail model of how some car brands are sold may change leading to less discounting than we saw in pre-pandemic times.

Agreed, I can see some sort of “game theory” amongst all manufacturers
where they now see that ending discounts is good for everyone except customers…..

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by jpd80

So I’m wondering, now that all manufacturers have seen that buyers will pay more when
there’s fewer vehicles to sell, could that mean an end to all the discounts and lower cost
vehicles that abounded before 2020?

It's working well for Honda.....Not.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Agreed, I can see some sort of “game theory” amongst all manufacturers
where they now see that ending discounts is good for everyone except customers…..

They can try, but we'll probably end up moving back towards the traditional selling model. There are a proportion of buyers (eg. those coming off lease) who simply won't wait 3-6 months for a replacement vehicle. As long as dealers have to bring in yard stock, there will be discounting to some extent. The only way I can see them getting around that is to bring in a single spec and not have a laundry list of options.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

As opposed to the 1500 people who bought the decade old ASX?

The same Puma with the Fiesta's 999cc Ecoboost engine that's unchanged from about a decade ago?

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The same Puma with the Fiesta's 999cc Ecoboost engine that's unchanged from about a decade ago?

ASX engine dates back 15 years...

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The same Puma with the Fiesta's 999cc Ecoboost engine that's unchanged from about a decade ago?

1.0 EB. now has cylinder deactivation

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The same Puma with the Fiesta's 999cc Ecoboost engine that's unchanged from about a decade ago?

No it was heavily redesigned in 2017, when it won engine of the year.

It also was awarded the best engine it its class 4 years running up to then, but your comment suits your narrative.

[DFB FGXR6]

Have you driven a Puma?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

since when does making a car heavier, taller and having the same engine under the bonnet become a recipe for a good car?

It never has, but that's what people want these days for some reason. You driving impressions of the Puma tends to differ from most, which is generally regarded as one of the better driving in the class. If you hated the Puma, I can only imagine your impressions of an ASX or one of those terrible MG's.