XR8 Cam and Chip

walker · 10-12-2006, 09:17 PM

Just wonder do you get much of a power gain, if I was to get a larger cam and a chip torque, chip is it worth the $

philstoj · 10-12-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by walker

Just wonder do you get much of a power gain, if I was to get a larger cam and a chip torque, chip is it worth the $

Cam and flash tuner yes, stay away from the chips!

b2tf · 10-12-2006, 09:36 PM

This might help:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...72#post1097272

walker · 11-12-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by philstoj

Cam and flash tuner yes, stay away from the chips!

how come the flach tuner over the chip?

walker · 11-12-2006, 06:46 PM

what size cam would be the best one to go for? who make them and what's the price vary from?

FPV8U · 11-12-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by walker

how come the flach tuner over the chip?

Have a read around and you'll find out why.

Edit is a Much, Much better tuning device than a "Chip" could dream of.

poolkeeper · 11-12-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by walker

how come the flach tuner over the chip?

Basically chips trick the ecu
Flash tuner is a whole different world...

walker · 12-12-2006, 09:20 PM

Spoke to a guy at a performance shop today and with a ball park figure of around 3K, that includes an Edelbrok manifold, head work, fuel reg, larger cam he said that ther would be a very noticable diference in power and that I wouldn't have to chip it or get the car flash tuned, all tough he said flash tunning benefits any car...

Is this a rip of or a reasonable price, he is the only person I have spoken to

AUIIIXR8 · 12-12-2006, 09:22 PM

Sounds reasonable. Head work is a very broad term however.

Manifold alone is worth somewhere near $1000 new.

walker · 12-12-2006, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AUIIIXR8

Sounds reasonable. Head work is a very broad term however.

Manifold alone is worth somewhere near $1000 new.

Yeah I understand what you are saying there...

xr8ute · 12-12-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by D1XR2C

Basically chips trick the ecu
Flash tuner is a whole different world...

This is very funny...because (taken literally) it is absolute crap.

With the Ford EEC you can deliver an identical tune/calibration via "flashing" the onboard memory, or by bypassing the onboard memory with a chip plugged into the J3 service port.

The technology (or method) is not the reason one is good and the other is bad. Its like copying some software to your computer....you could copy it via a CD, or you could copy it via a USB drive. Two completely different methods, but at the end of the day, both can be used to copy exactly the same data onto your computer.

Their are advantages and disadvantages to both methods, but personally, I would much rather use the CAPA Eliminator chip on my AU than the CAPA Flash Tuner.

A chip does not "trick" the ECU.

A chip is an "edit" in exactly the same way the flash tuner is an edit.

A Unichip is not a chip.

The "E-Series Edit" (real name; CAPA Eliminator chip) is not a flash tuner. It is a chip, and it also works on the AU.

Casper · 12-12-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

This is very funny...because (taken literally) it is absolute crap.

With the Ford EEC you can deliver an identical tune/calibration via "flashing" the onboard memory, or by bypassing the onboard memory with a chip plugged into the J3 service port.

The technology (or method) is not the reason one is good and the other is bad. Its like copying some software to your computer....you could copy it via a CD, or you could copy it via a USB drive. Two completely different methods, but at the end of the day, both can be used to copy exactly the same data onto your computer.

Their are advantages and disadvantages to both methods, but personally, I would much rather use the CAPA Eliminator chip on my AU than the CAPA Flash Tuner.

A chip does not "trick" the ECU.

A chip is an "edit" in exactly the same way the flash tuner is an edit.

A Unichip is not a chip.

The "E-Series Edit" (real name; CAPA Eliminator chip) is not a flash tuner. It is a chip, and it also works on the AU.

Beat me to it Dave. And you are 100% correct. The Unichip is a interceptor unit that "fools" the ECU signals.. the Chiptorque J3 "chip" is a piggyback unit that reprograms the ECU the same as an edit so to speak. The advantage of the edit is that it has no hardware permenantly attached to the ECU, has a broad range of features (the J3 has similar now) and, most importantly, has a very large and growing number of specialist tuners in all states (inlike the Chiptorque J3). Effectively the E series J3 is very similar in concept to the Chiptorque J3 in a lot of ways (shows how far ahead Lachlan and Chiptorque really were) and, although lacking all the functionality of the "true" flash edit, is a very good unit indeed.

That said though, I got rid of my Chiptorque J3 for an edit and still think it was the best decision I made.

xr8ute · 13-12-2006, 12:17 PM

Agreed. Chiptorque where doing some great stuff, but by comparison the SCT products are miles ahead....so much more accessable.

However, I dont agree that the Eliminator chip has any less functionality than the Flash tuner. Its just a different mechanism for delivering the tune.

The limit to the functionality of the Eliminator chip and the Flash tuner is the capability of the SCT Advantage software, which is of course the product used to develop the calibration.

The only limit to the capability of the SCT Advantage software is the capability of the EEC strategy used by particular car you are developing the tune for.

Casper · 13-12-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

However, I dont agree that the Eliminator chip has any less functionality than the Flash tuner. Its just a different mechanism for delivering the tune.

The limit to the functionality of the Eliminator chip and the Flash tuner is the capability of the SCT Advantage software, which is of course the product used to develop the calibration.

The only limit to the capability of the SCT Advantage software is the capability of the EEC strategy used by particular car you are developing the tune for.

Correct. Unfortunately the Eliminator chip's software doesn't allow for as much functionality as the flash edit at present. Not the fault of the chip, more an issue with whats been provided in the software.

xr8ute · 13-12-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Correct. Unfortunately the Eliminator chip's software doesn't allow for as much functionality as the flash edit at present. Not the fault of the chip, more an issue with whats been provided in the software.

Both use SCT Advantage v3.0...(?)

Unless you mean the EEC-IV is not quite as good as the EEC-V (in the same way the EEC-V is not quite as good as the Black Oak...which in turn is probably not as good as the Spanish Oak)

Casper · 13-12-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

Both use SCT Advantage v3.0...(?)

Unless you mean the EEC-IV is not quite as good as the EEC-V (in the same way the EEC-V is not quite as good as the Black Oak...which in turn is probably not as good as the Spanish Oak)

Something like that

nitroman · 13-12-2006, 09:06 PM

I bought a CAPA flash tuner blank, and had the car tuned on the dyno which worked well. I think you can't just fit a chip to a modified engine and expect it to work. There are too many variables that effect performance like fuel mixture and timing that get thrown out of whack when you modify an engine that can only be adjusted under load to get maximum performance.