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26-01-2007, 01:50 AM | #1 | |||
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This aint good. Seven unnamed plants to close....
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26-01-2007, 02:18 AM | #2 | ||
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Man, that sucks, even with the new Mustang selling in decent figures they are still losing. Hope things take a turn for the better. No matter the company/brand I think as car guys in general it would be a shame to see any big company go down like this. Thanks.
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26-01-2007, 02:20 AM | #3 | ||
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FORD CUSTOMER SERVICE.
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26-01-2007, 02:28 AM | #4 | ||
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damn bad news
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26-01-2007, 02:30 AM | #5 | |||
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I thought I was the only one getting it.....anyone in Wellington New Zealand "should" know that Stevens Fords in Lower Hutt are the biggest plonkers around. I'd rather take my Ford to a Holden dealer, that's how bad they are....bunch of twats. I wouldn't take my push bike to Steven's Ford. :
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26-01-2007, 07:33 AM | #6 | ||
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Geesz that makes tough reading for a Ford fan...
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26-01-2007, 10:14 AM | #7 | ||
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For all the workers and factories that are cut, I hope the same ratio of fat cats go as well.
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26-01-2007, 10:47 AM | #8 | ||
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I can't see how a company can possibly sustain such huge losses consistently, It will not be long before we see one of the big US companies go.
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26-01-2007, 10:54 AM | #9 | |||
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Unfortunately Ford and GM have had their heads up their a**es for so long they've complete lost touch with what actually matters to people. Now they're paying for it in the form of decreased sales. Ford and GM are closing 6 or 7 plants each in North America to stem loses where-as Honda and Toyota are building new ones in the same region. Nuff said.. |
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26-01-2007, 11:01 AM | #10 | ||
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hit the nail on the head there chich!
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26-01-2007, 11:03 AM | #11 | ||
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why? i want ford around forever. if ford go down then i'll have to make do with a holden or jap car. i hope ford do somthing to get themselves out of this. ford usa should try getting some of our cars over there.maybe it would rekindle peoples liking.
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26-01-2007, 11:08 AM | #12 | ||
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What does this truly mean for Ford operations outside of America? ie Ford Europe and Ford Oz? Can they keep functioning without the parent company? They don't actually get cash from Detroit, just the premission to borrow money for their own projects (which are selling)
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26-01-2007, 11:08 AM | #13 | ||
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Well if people are buying Hondas, Toyotas, Mazdas then Ford needs to look at why and then change their plans accordingly.
I'm thinking fuel economy without losing a sporty look and speeeeeed.
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26-01-2007, 11:08 AM | #14 | ||
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12.7 billion is a lot but nissan had had a far worse loss and came back from it, so i dont see henry going down for a long time
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26-01-2007, 11:37 AM | #15 | |||
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26-01-2007, 11:45 AM | #16 | |||
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26-01-2007, 12:52 PM | #17 | ||
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That loan could be the end of Ford as we know it today. If they stuff up and lose the money. If that did happen either Toyota or another Jap maker could snap up Ford Co and bargin basement price and change the mindset of US, European and Australian cars more towards a Japanese base. Or it could be butchered up, Ford Australia independant of Detroit bigwigs.
Slim chance of it happening. But it looks like Ford has nowhere to go but up now. |
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26-01-2007, 03:22 PM | #18 | |||
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Its a sad fact of life, but unless FoA becomes a major figure in this region (read Asia) then its pretty much on borrowed time.
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26-01-2007, 03:30 PM | #19 | |||
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A colleague at work has a BA XT manual V8 thats covered 60,000kms and thankfully near the end of its lease. In the 4 years he's had it, he's had nothing but issues. Front discs need to be machined every 15,000kms to stop the shuddering, driveline shunt is still there, pcv hoses splitting, gear boot cracking, cracked radiator, bonnet latch has broken three times etc etc. Even though these issues are common across the BA range, Ford still hasn't got a fix for them. When something breaks they simply replace it with another part thats also destined to fail (i.e the design is not reviewed). To add insult to injury when the dealer is asked to investigate a noisey diff or the like, they simply say "within factory tolerance" and wash their hands of any responsibility... until warranty is up when amazingly everything needs replacing. Unfortunately this is a common theme amongst 95% of the people i know with Aussie cars... XT's, Futura's, XR's, SS's, Calais etc etc The Japanese on the other hand learn from mistakes and treat their customers with courtesy and respect. We had an issue with a power window regulator on my mums Camry a few years back. I went to the dealer and he said it was a common problem, handed me a new improved part and off i went. I havn't had another issue in 4 years. Servicing is not an inconvenience, the car is finished on time and the service is completed by trained mature technicians... not 16yo idiots who drop burnouts and dump the clutch at every opportunity. In the automotive business these little things matter... afterall you're dealing with peoples second most expensive asset. Then we get onto the topic of resale. Take a look at what a once $60K XR8 is worth 3 years on... 45% of its original value. Now take a look at what a 3 year old 3.0L Subaru Liberty or Honda Accord Euro are worth.. 60% of their original value. Unfortunately it doesn't make sense to buy Aussie anymore.. Last edited by chich; 26-01-2007 at 03:43 PM. |
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26-01-2007, 03:43 PM | #20 | ||
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Is this the same Toyota that just settled out of court for the repair of 3.5million faulty engines in the US? And recalled their complete SUV and pickup range for faulty ball joints over the last two years? (nearly 1.5 million cars)
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26-01-2007, 03:51 PM | #21 | |||
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Yeah thats right, Toyota can do no bad :rolleyes:
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26-01-2007, 03:54 PM | #22 | |||
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It seems you're forgetting the nice little fiasco that Ford created for itself with the exploding tyres.. how many billion dollars and more importantly lives did that cost? And then we have the Ford Punto... the car that trapped its occupants and burst into flames when it was rear-ended. Many people lots their lives so Ford could save a few bucks on a sheet of rubber that would've eliminated the problem. Don't go throwing stones... everyones houses are made of glass in the automotive business. |
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26-01-2007, 03:55 PM | #23 | ||
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Service and Build quality needs to be addressed.
If something goes wrong it shouldn’t just be a band aid fix, it should be looked at and investigated as to why it failed and what steps can be taken to stop it from reoccurring. Parts, why do they always need to charge stupid prices for parts just cause it has FORD stamped on it, you should be able to walk into you ford dealer and get the best part at the beat price after all ford built the car so they should be able to supply the best parts for the best price. I am a Ford person I will buy ford cause that is what I have been brought up with same as a lot of other people on this forum. It just seems like ford will get on a good thing and get some momentum up than they just let everything stagnate for a few years and then wind up back where they started and do it all over agene. |
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26-01-2007, 03:58 PM | #24 | |||
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All i'm saying is that Japanese and European manufacturers address quality and realiability issues and learn from their mistakes, they don't sweep them under the carpet a-la Ford style. |
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26-01-2007, 04:06 PM | #25 | ||
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I recall that Toyota episode, Amsoil was involved as well I believe as there Oil had been used in some of those engines buy the owners, Amsoil did the right thing after Toyota rejected warranty work so Amsoil foot the bill and replaced engines that had been damaged where there oil had been used they also changed there recommended drain interval’s and would no longer warrant there oil in those Toyota engines. |
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26-01-2007, 08:23 PM | #26 | |||
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Firstly, Alan Mulally is the boss now, he will and I emphasise will turn the company around - he did the exact same thing with Boeing. As for fuel economy, Alan captained the notion of lean and clean fuel burn, making Boeing the largest and most profitable airplane manufacturer in the world. Beforehand, there were massive layoffs and sackings at all of their plants, as the product range was far too dated and airbus were eating into their sales. Now, Boeing are hiring again and have an order book for over 1200 aircraft, with an average price of US$110 million dollars each. With options, that figure is closer to 2500 aircraft on order.
Ford are in good hands with Alan, and if there is a saviour he is it. That includes options such as making cars for the US in other places ike Oz, evidenced by the fact that most of the 787 composite is manufactured in Italy. The pension plan has to go in the US, as it is crippling Fords viability. It will not completely go but will be significantly changed, and the unions will have to take this loss. But hey, if all else fails Ford will get federal government assistance as it is too much of an election loser for anyone to allow that many people to be sacked.
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26-01-2007, 08:35 PM | #27 | ||
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Looks like their may be some major changes here then.
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26-01-2007, 09:08 PM | #28 | |||
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26-01-2007, 10:28 PM | #29 | |||
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27-01-2007, 09:51 AM | #30 | |||
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It needs the European Focus, and Fiesta first of all. It needs a decent sedan, Falcon/Fairlane maybe? And as already mentioned it needs to ditch the pension plan. |
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